• lumpenproletariat@quokk.auOPM
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    Let’s compare the USSR to itself, an authoritarian shithole that sent gay men to do hard labour.

    The Zapatista have been going strong for 30 years.

    Revolutionary Ukraine fell to Communist backstabbing.

    Historically the biggest threat to anarchist revolution hasn’t been capitalism, it’s been red fash communists.

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      Zapatista

      The Zapatistas themselves say they’re neither anarchism or communism, but their own thing.

      Historically the biggest threat to anarchist revolution hasn’t been capitalism

      Weird how you’ve been convinced the guys you literally need a revolution to displace is worth less of your energy than calling other people trying to do the same thing red fash.

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        Being your own thing and living by mutual consent is anarchist. Labels are ultimately irrelevant, actions matter.

        We need a revolution to displace any authority. Authority will never wither away on its own.

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          any authority

          P sure you mean unjust hierarchies, your mom telling you to go to bed and the anarchist copelected community representative or whatever telling you you’re not allowed to feed the bears in your backyard are examples of authority.

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            No, I mean any authority.

            “Unjust Hierarchies” is Chomsky libshit take on anarchism.

            We want horizontal organisation, not top-down authority. Don’t just tell me not to feed the bears, work with me, talk with me, educate me on why not to feed the bears.

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              So like when your neighbor in Anarchistan keeps feeding the bears, causing them to overrun the town, is the rest of the town just supposed to tolerate it? How is society supposed to work without any kind of authority?

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                Anarchistan? Is that implying the ‘stan’ prefix means some run-down place. That’s really bordering onto some racist shit, and I’m already straining my tolerance for you as is.

                Believe it or not, most people are not going to want to invite bears into their backyard especially if aware of the dangers. If the town decides to make rules against it, they town can act on it and solve the problem. Anarchism is not do whatever you want, whenever you want. It’s horizontal organisation and mutual consent.

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                  Anarchistan? Is that implying the ‘stan’ prefix means some run-down place.

                  -istan just means “land of”, I picked anarchistan because it had a ring to it and I was in Kazakhstan a couple months ago.

                  Believe it or not, most people are not going to want to invite bears into their backyard especially if aware of the dangers.

                  I picked that example because that happened when a bunch of libertarians decided to make their own town., though usually they dont get beyond 1 person scamming the rest.

                  What if the woman who wants to feed bears donuts stops consenting to the town rules? Do they have the authority to stop or remove her?

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                    You’re (deliberately?) bendng the definition of aufthority in order to score a point. You know that what you describe doesn’t fit the anarchist critique of “authority”.

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                    I know what it means. I also know it’s used by racist chuds to talk bad about places, and you were using it to highlight a town where bears would run rampant… Not a good look if you had no ill intentions.

                    Libertarians are not Anarchists. Ancaps steal anarchist ‘branding’ to push capitalist bullshit. It’s like the Nazis calling themselves socialists, it means nothing and their ideology is not related.