Pay securely with an Android smartphone, completely without Google services: This is the plan being developed by the newly founded industry consortium led by the German Volla Systeme GmbH. It is an open-source alternative to Google Play Integrity. This proprietary interface decides on Android smartphones with Google Play services whether banking, government, or wallet apps are allowed to run on a smartphone.
For those to whom this made you think GrapheneOS, they’re opposed as this is basically substituting Goodle for another proprietary system with no meaningful improvement to security.
It is an open-source alternative to Google Play Integrity
substituting Goodle for another proprietary system
I’d really appreciate it more if Graphene folk would be more constructive with criticism, because very often it comes across as incoherent and knee jerk rants. Really off-putting.
GrapheneOS themselves never said it’s proprietary. This is (part of) what they actually said:
Play Integrity API should be regulated out of existence rather than making another system where companies permit their own products while disallowing others. It shouldn’t be legal when Google does it and it shouldn’t be legal when Volla and Murena do it either. This is wrong.
@GrapheneOS@GrapheneOS.social is such a toxic account, holy shit. They are always fire and brimstone. It’s as if they don’t have a “chill” nor "constructive"mode.
Yes please!
I like the idea of having my GrapheneOS phone as a backup for occasions when I forget my card/cash, but I have no interest in allowing proprietary services the deep system-level access & PII invasion that Google Pay and Google Play services require to enable it.
P.s. hope some EU org aims at a non-proprietary Android Auto next, and then in my dreams non-proprietary Chromecast.
I mean, there’s f-cast:
That’s cool, thanks for sharing.
I looked into this app a while back iirc, just checked and it doesn’t work for de-googled phones, nor GrapheneOS. So not much of an alternative here.
The Android device that’s casting Fcast data (video/audio) has to have inbuilt Chromecast support… at which point I fail to see the much point of it as an Android casting alternative.
They say they may build an ‘Fcast sender’ for Android in future, which would solve the sending problem (for me), but then there’s another problem.
For receivers it supports neither Google Chromecasts nor Chromecast Audio - which are the main devices I would ever use Chromecast with.
Useful if you have the use-case with standard Android device (or PC) and a TV that has WebOS or some other third-party device (AppleTV) that supports it though.
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