You just admitted to not knowing the full context. It doesn’t look like “Christian Representation” if you actually know the full story and aren’t cherrypicking…
But let me list a bunch of human based religion in Star Trek because I’m getting tired of hearing this whole nonsense of “RELIGION DOESN’T BELONG IN STAR TREK” when it’s been there since the beginning.
In Balance of Terror there is an altar and a Cross when Kirk is marrying the crewman.
Kirk says "Man has no need for gods. We find the one quite sufficient." in Who Mounrs for Adonais. That straight up implies that Kirk believes in a monotheistic religion.
Spock quotes the bible in The Trouble with Tribbles when he compares them to “lilies of the field”.
In Bread and Circuses, Spock says that ‘Sun worship is a primitive superstition’ but Uhura then says “It’s not the sun up in the sky. It’s the Son of God”. Doesn’t suggest that she’s religious but does imply that religion is around and she’s knowledgable in it.
Bones says Spock would need him in the lions den. This leads to Spock saying “Daniel, as I recall, only had his faith”. Again, Spock directly referencing the bible.
In Ultimate Computer, the M5 computer says “Murder is contrary to the laws of man and God”
In The Empath, two researchers are talking to one another. One says “In His hands are the deep places of the Earth. Psalm 95, Verse 4.” The other researcher then says “Looks like He was listening”. So, you’ve got religious humans.
In That Which Survives you’ve got a bridge officer with a traditional Hindu symbol on her head.
And that’s just TOS. So timeline wise, Pike having any sort of religious affinity fits in perfectly. Same with him having any religious inkling fitting in with Star Trek continuity. You can call it nonsense all you want but it was in the universe during that time and was concretely cemented as such. It is lore accurate.
But I’m sure someone eventually is going to see this comment and go “Yeah but they changed.”
Yeah.
No.
Let’s look at TNG!
In Data’s Day, he mentions a Hindu festival of lights.
In Journey’s End, Picard talks about having respect for American Indians having spirit quests.
In Generations, Picard has the most hyper traditional Christmas you could possible imagine.
In Sub Rosa, Amen is straight up said at the funeral and there’s a church beside the graveyard.
DS9? Gotcha.
Joseph Sisko straight up recites the bible to Ben in Far Beyond the Stars. You know, as well as appearing as a priest. This being after Sisko himself had said “There are things I believe in” while not clarifying and Kasidy Yates talked about having a priest perform the wedding.
Voyager? Doc literally acts as a Roman Catholic priest.
Enterprise? Phlox dresses up as a priest during one of Archer’s hallucination about Porthos’ funeral.
There just… isn’t a leg to stand on in saying that Religion has no place in Star Trek. It’s a part of humanity. I might think it’s stupid and the worst thing we’ve ever created but we did create it and it’s not going anywhere when it’s baked into every culture on earth. Goodbye means god be with ye.
Oh oh oh I see, you wanted to have a debate because you’re very passionate about this. Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought we were two fans expressing subjective opinions.
You just admitted to not knowing the full context. It doesn’t look like “Christian Representation” if you actually know the full story and aren’t cherrypicking…
But let me list a bunch of human based religion in Star Trek because I’m getting tired of hearing this whole nonsense of “RELIGION DOESN’T BELONG IN STAR TREK” when it’s been there since the beginning.
In Balance of Terror there is an altar and a Cross when Kirk is marrying the crewman.
Kirk says "Man has no need for gods. We find the one quite sufficient." in Who Mounrs for Adonais. That straight up implies that Kirk believes in a monotheistic religion.
Spock quotes the bible in The Trouble with Tribbles when he compares them to “lilies of the field”.
In Bread and Circuses, Spock says that ‘Sun worship is a primitive superstition’ but Uhura then says “It’s not the sun up in the sky. It’s the Son of God”. Doesn’t suggest that she’s religious but does imply that religion is around and she’s knowledgable in it.
Bones says Spock would need him in the lions den. This leads to Spock saying “Daniel, as I recall, only had his faith”. Again, Spock directly referencing the bible.
In Ultimate Computer, the M5 computer says “Murder is contrary to the laws of man and God”
In The Empath, two researchers are talking to one another. One says “In His hands are the deep places of the Earth. Psalm 95, Verse 4.” The other researcher then says “Looks like He was listening”. So, you’ve got religious humans.
In That Which Survives you’ve got a bridge officer with a traditional Hindu symbol on her head.
And that’s just TOS. So timeline wise, Pike having any sort of religious affinity fits in perfectly. Same with him having any religious inkling fitting in with Star Trek continuity. You can call it nonsense all you want but it was in the universe during that time and was concretely cemented as such. It is lore accurate.
But I’m sure someone eventually is going to see this comment and go “Yeah but they changed.”
Yeah.
No.
Let’s look at TNG!
In Data’s Day, he mentions a Hindu festival of lights.
In Journey’s End, Picard talks about having respect for American Indians having spirit quests.
In Generations, Picard has the most hyper traditional Christmas you could possible imagine.
In Sub Rosa, Amen is straight up said at the funeral and there’s a church beside the graveyard.
DS9? Gotcha.
Joseph Sisko straight up recites the bible to Ben in Far Beyond the Stars. You know, as well as appearing as a priest. This being after Sisko himself had said “There are things I believe in” while not clarifying and Kasidy Yates talked about having a priest perform the wedding.
Voyager? Doc literally acts as a Roman Catholic priest.
Enterprise? Phlox dresses up as a priest during one of Archer’s hallucination about Porthos’ funeral.
There just… isn’t a leg to stand on in saying that Religion has no place in Star Trek. It’s a part of humanity. I might think it’s stupid and the worst thing we’ve ever created but we did create it and it’s not going anywhere when it’s baked into every culture on earth. Goodbye means god be with ye.
Oh oh oh I see, you wanted to have a debate because you’re very passionate about this. Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought we were two fans expressing subjective opinions.
Enjoy the rest of the week!
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