• Dr_Uggs@piefed.social
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    2 months ago

    long story short, you are saying that in the long run we will start buying EU weapons. That is a very long run, a marathon. Untill then its uncle sams bodega.

    Your point about EU contries wanting to have small armies and stay under US umbrella is wrong. Ask the french, de Gaulle kicked them out in the 50ies. The axis didn’t have that choice.

    As my last point, here is an quote from Natos first secretary, Lord Hastings Ismay in 1949. “keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down”

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      2 months ago

      Your point about EU contries wanting to have small armies and stay under US umbrella is wrong

      That was not my point.
      My point was US wanting European countries to have weak armies and stay under US umbrella. And they did what they could in order to achieve that. Also France was using much less than 2% of their budget for defence as a result of US pressure against raising that number.

      There’s a quote from a NATO person from the 1940’s pointing out what I am trying to explain to you: “keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down.” Read it, think about it, and take heed!

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        2 months ago

        who in their right sense would then try to defend the organisation ruled by the same ruler that wants to keep the other ones down? to be honest i now dont think you have EUs best interest i mind.

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          2 months ago

          Because in exchange for that, USA showed itself as a country Europe could rely on. The deal also included EU getting a lot of money for all kinds of social benefits and such. The money we didn’t have to use in our military was used for better things.

          We defended the concept of USA defending us so that we could save a lot of money in our defence budgets.

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            2 months ago

            jesus, stop it. the mental gymnastics are of the charts with you. I’m off, there is no point