• surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    10
    ·
    20 hours ago

    The problem with believing in gods is that you think you are right. That makes other people wrong. And so it begins…

    • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      4 hours ago

      That’s not true. I believe in gods and I’m n antirealist. I think everything is subjective and we should kill the idea of one objective reality.

    • ptu@sopuli.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      15 hours ago

      That is one way to see it, but it’s also possible to have a more pluralistic view. Like in India which has a long tradition of many religions co-existing with respect.

      • DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        14 hours ago

        Boy, you should really look into how they’re handing their Muslim population. Though, yes, much like the Israel situation, the Brits really fucked that region up.

      • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        13 hours ago

        You can respect someone and still think they’re wrong. Just like I respect you right now.

        But if you truly believe in your religion, then you must believe that other religions aren’t right.

        • ptu@sopuli.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          5 hours ago

          That’s only your view of it, and if it suits you then so be it.

          I think the Hindu school of thought is described here, that there is one truth (god), but it has many manifestations (religions)

          https://www.sanskritica.com/shlokas/rig-1-164-46-ekam-sat

          Then there is the Stoic view of Logos, which is the ”natural order” of the world. It’s a philosophical view, but according to it Logos has a divine source and it’s up to the individual to align with it and accept it. So since Logos contains multiple religions, does it matter which ones are right or wrong, rather how to align yourself with them?

          https://www.stoicmentality.com/logos-in-stoicism

        • harmbugler@piefed.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          10 hours ago

          Not necessarily. If I wear rose-tinted glasses while yours are tinted green, I may still believe that the worlds we see are lit by the same light.

          • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            8 hours ago

            If you believe that, then you believe you do not actually know the truth. But only an interpretation of what might be true.

        • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          4 hours ago

          Yeah, and that’s why realists who believe in an objective reality are stupid. They won’t admit they’re wrong no matter how much evidence is stacked against them.

        • MinnesotaGoddam@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          12 hours ago

          believing you are right is requisite to belief. acknowledgement that you might be wrong, in the existence of doubt, that’s maturity but it does not preclude the belief that you are right.

          • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            11 hours ago

            I think you’ve just talked yourself into a circle. You can’t both believe something and doubt it. Doubt is the opposite of belief.

            What you’re talking about is possibly belief in belief. That’s the belief that you should believe, or belief that you do believe. That is not the same as actual belief.