America’s “democracy” will never result in the eschewment of capitalism (I put democracy in quotes because the US is not a democracy, and its vaguely democratic-flavored institutions will also never result in a democracy). The dictatorship of the bourgeoisie cannot give rise to a dictatorship of the proletariat. If you don’t think class is what counts, or that some kind of labor-peace is possible I am not gonna convince you here lol. If wolves control deer by biting them, the deer will not control the wolves by biting them back. And there is no peace to be had between wolves and deer.
Like…I think what you’re talking about is a US Allende, which…dude I’d be so happy. But it’s quite a naive hope. Like…can you imagine what it will take to give working people power? To start we’d need constitutional amendments at the federal level and in every state, and we’d need to wait for every judge to die and still be in power to appoint new ones. All while the bourgeois parties maintain all the power and inertia they already have. To look for that is idealism (in the sense that it’s about ideas primarily affecting the material world, rather than the material world primarily affecting ideas - not in the sense of “hopeful” … it’s that too, but that part is nice).
If wolves control deer by biting them, the deer will not control the wolves by biting them back. And there is no peace to be had between wolves and deer.
Please stop using analogies. They’re having the opposite effect. Wolves and deer live in symbiosis.
I’m gonna have to call it quits here tbh. The moment someone calls me an idealist… I know they’re not picking up a word I’m putting down.
Sure, thanks for the chat. IDK how these got split.
But boy I can’t help it…Wolves prey upon deer. That’s not symbiosis. Maybe you can say they find a kind of “balance” in their perpetual struggle, but symbiosis requires mutual benefit.
To drop the analogy, working people don’t benefit from capitalists. Capitalists exploit working people. There’s no peace to be had between capitalists and workers, we are in perpetual struggle. Capitalist republics try to find “balance” in that struggle, so that capitalists can perpetually exploit working people.
And sorry, if you’re not an idealist, are you a materialist? You didn’t seem like it, but maybe i missed it.
Word. I respect the effort youre putting into this. But FYI I will never respect any means to the end which is communism other than democracy.
IMO giving up on America’s democracy will never result in the eschewment of capitalism.
No doubt. “Democracy is essential.”
America’s “democracy” will never result in the eschewment of capitalism (I put democracy in quotes because the US is not a democracy, and its vaguely democratic-flavored institutions will also never result in a democracy). The dictatorship of the bourgeoisie cannot give rise to a dictatorship of the proletariat. If you don’t think class is what counts, or that some kind of labor-peace is possible I am not gonna convince you here lol. If wolves control deer by biting them, the deer will not control the wolves by biting them back. And there is no peace to be had between wolves and deer.
Like…I think what you’re talking about is a US Allende, which…dude I’d be so happy. But it’s quite a naive hope. Like…can you imagine what it will take to give working people power? To start we’d need constitutional amendments at the federal level and in every state, and we’d need to wait for every judge to die and still be in power to appoint new ones. All while the bourgeois parties maintain all the power and inertia they already have. To look for that is idealism (in the sense that it’s about ideas primarily affecting the material world, rather than the material world primarily affecting ideas - not in the sense of “hopeful” … it’s that too, but that part is nice).
Please stop using analogies. They’re having the opposite effect. Wolves and deer live in symbiosis.
I’m gonna have to call it quits here tbh. The moment someone calls me an idealist… I know they’re not picking up a word I’m putting down.
Sure, thanks for the chat. IDK how these got split.
But boy I can’t help it…Wolves prey upon deer. That’s not symbiosis. Maybe you can say they find a kind of “balance” in their perpetual struggle, but symbiosis requires mutual benefit.
To drop the analogy, working people don’t benefit from capitalists. Capitalists exploit working people. There’s no peace to be had between capitalists and workers, we are in perpetual struggle. Capitalist republics try to find “balance” in that struggle, so that capitalists can perpetually exploit working people.
And sorry, if you’re not an idealist, are you a materialist? You didn’t seem like it, but maybe i missed it.
Anyway, good luck, have fun!
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