You’re collapsing progressives and leftists and just making my policy positions up in your head because otherwise your point falls apart.
A progressive Democrat winning a red seat inside the party (as in working with and within the party like Rehmet did) is not proof that Democrats should “stop attacking the left.” It’s proof that better Democrats, even progressives in the party, can win and don’t need to resort to attacking their own potential coalition partners in the rest of the party.
Also, if you have to rewrite my position as “I support genocide and hate everything that tries to upend the status quo” to answer me, you’re not rebutting me. You’re constructing a straw man.
A progressive Democrat winning a red seat inside the party (as in working with and within the party like Rehmet did) is not proof that Democrats should “stop attacking the left.”
I doubt there’s much you would consider evidence that the party should stop attacking those to your left like they did with Mamdani.
It’s proof that better Democrats, even progressives in the party, can win and don’t need to resort to attacking their own potential coalition partners in the rest of the party.
I mean, the animosity didn’t come out of nowhere. This has been going on for decades, and it’s not progressives who betrayed the center.
I did not say progressives are centrists. I said Rehmet won as a progressive Democrat, inside the party, which is evidence for improving the party from within.
It is certainly not evidence that Democrats should stop pushing back against a left that attacks basically everyone to the right of dem-socs.
Even Mamdani undercuts your point.
He’s an actual dem-soc, but even he has tried to build a broad coalition, not just declare war on everyone to his right (despite getting called a bootlicker for his approach). He got support from progressives within the party and, after proving himself electable, eventually some more mainstream Democrats endorsed him too. And I hope he stays popular and his policies work, so support for progressive policies grows from there.
But Mamdani’s process highlights exactly my issue with leftists who attack everything to the right of dem-socs. Mamdani is doing politics - even going so far to have friendly meetings/calls with Trump. Too many other leftists would rather practice the type of purity politics that only shrinks their ability to influence reality, then complain that dems are the ones who need to “do something.”
It is certainly not evidence that Democrats should stop pushing back against a left that attacks basically everyone to the right of dem-socs.
They should stop attacking everyone to the left of netanyahu. And so should you.
He’s an actual dem-soc, but even he has tried to build a broad coalition, not just declare war on everyone to his right (despite getting called a bootlicker for his approach). He got support from progressives within the party and, after proving himself electable, eventually some more mainstream Democrats endorsed him too.
And the “no matter who” wing of the party lobbed Islamophobic attacks at him after he won the primary.
You’ve spent this entire exchange inventing dumber versions of my argument because the real one is too hard for you.
My point remains that in the US winner-take-all two-party system, the leftists whose whole strategy is shitting on everyone to their right are not building power. They are helping the right. That’s why the people actually winning like Rehmet, and even Mamdani, are doing coalition politics, not purity-addled self-harm.
If you still need that distorted into “you hate everyone left of Netanyahu” to reply, that’s more a confession than a response.
Democrats should stop fighting the left, then.
They got the one thing you wanted done. They sold weapons for genocide.
That was one of the progressive candidates you hate.
You’re collapsing progressives and leftists and just making my policy positions up in your head because otherwise your point falls apart.
A progressive Democrat winning a red seat inside the party (as in working with and within the party like Rehmet did) is not proof that Democrats should “stop attacking the left.” It’s proof that better Democrats, even progressives in the party, can win and don’t need to resort to attacking their own potential coalition partners in the rest of the party.
Also, if you have to rewrite my position as “I support genocide and hate everything that tries to upend the status quo” to answer me, you’re not rebutting me. You’re constructing a straw man.
and you’re collapsing progressives and centrists.
I doubt there’s much you would consider evidence that the party should stop attacking those to your left like they did with Mamdani.
I mean, the animosity didn’t come out of nowhere. This has been going on for decades, and it’s not progressives who betrayed the center.
This is another dodge.
I did not say progressives are centrists. I said Rehmet won as a progressive Democrat, inside the party, which is evidence for improving the party from within.
It is certainly not evidence that Democrats should stop pushing back against a left that attacks basically everyone to the right of dem-socs.
Even Mamdani undercuts your point.
He’s an actual dem-soc, but even he has tried to build a broad coalition, not just declare war on everyone to his right (despite getting called a bootlicker for his approach). He got support from progressives within the party and, after proving himself electable, eventually some more mainstream Democrats endorsed him too. And I hope he stays popular and his policies work, so support for progressive policies grows from there.
But Mamdani’s process highlights exactly my issue with leftists who attack everything to the right of dem-socs. Mamdani is doing politics - even going so far to have friendly meetings/calls with Trump. Too many other leftists would rather practice the type of purity politics that only shrinks their ability to influence reality, then complain that dems are the ones who need to “do something.”
With friends like these…
They should stop attacking everyone to the left of netanyahu. And so should you.
And the “no matter who” wing of the party lobbed Islamophobic attacks at him after he won the primary.
You’re on, what, straw man number four now?
You’ve spent this entire exchange inventing dumber versions of my argument because the real one is too hard for you.
My point remains that in the US winner-take-all two-party system, the leftists whose whole strategy is shitting on everyone to their right are not building power. They are helping the right. That’s why the people actually winning like Rehmet, and even Mamdani, are doing coalition politics, not purity-addled self-harm.
If you still need that distorted into “you hate everyone left of Netanyahu” to reply, that’s more a confession than a response.
Keep attacking. You expect surrender from your left.
Lol, what’s left to attack? I’ll leave you to your shadowboxing and delusions of persecution.
Cool. Keep supporting genocide then. It’s all you’re for.