• acargitz@lemmy.caOP
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    And let us never forget that the only reason Zionism won out was not because it prevailed ideologically, but because the fucking Nazis just straight up killed off most of the Bundists and terrorized most of the rest into silence.

    That also applies to non-Ashkenazi leftists by the way. The formidable Avraam Benaroya, a Sephardic labor leader giant from Salonica and one of the founders of the Greek socialist movement, was forced to become a grocer at some small Israeli town later in life, due to the complete defeat of the Greek left and its inability to overcome the nationalist frame.

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      thank you! i meant to weave that into this passover testimony and just got side tracked by how fucking long it already was. yes. doikayt is on the backfoot in the world’s understanding of judaism because of the nazis and nazi collaborators

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        Lol, is “Passover testimony” a jewish tongue in cheek way of referring to a rant? Do uncles usually go off on rants on Passover dinners? 😄

        • The D Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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          no. part of passover is the Seder dinner which in my community was this past friday. someone is chosen to tell the story of Jewish defiance to oppression in their own language. as a non practicing Jew, my responsibility was to sit quietly and listen, and then to carry that story into the next year. this year, the emphasis was on how we are currently living in the re-emergence of the totalitarian hate we all seek to defy, and part of that is the story of the modern israel, and how it exists as an oppressor that claims itself the victim. especially because as we sat and ate, Israeli troops conducted war crimes in Lebanon.

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            Oh I see, that was a literal testimony! Sorry for calling it a rant and thanks for that bit of education.

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              i mean. you’re also not strictly speaking wrong. it is a jewish tradition to multiple times a year, all sit down at a table and have an uncle, bubbula, nanny, or teen go off on a rant about one of the times someone tried to kill all of us, and then eat food about it.

              it’s just that it’s not tongue in cheek 🤣

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        Pronouncing Zionism correct this way is assuming History is over, and the argument is settled. It’s not. Zionism has created an apartheid genocidal ethnostate that requires 7.5 million people to dominate militarily half a billion people in perpetuity. Forget immoral and abhorrent, that’s just not sustainable.