You’re the one claiming that the uSSa during the jim crow era, britain during the bengal famine and francoist spain weren’t fascist lmfao like skim some wikipedia articles or something wth
Well the USA and Britain weren’t fascist though they were bourgeoise liberal democracies like Dessalines said. Francoist Spain was fascist, but with a more Catholic bent as opposed to Nazism which wanted to create a weird neo occult religion.
Like I said as long as the victims aren’t white you wouldn’t consider it fascism. Like is the fact that the white population got to vote on how to oppress supposed to make it less fascist for the oppressed?
Fascism isn’t just a term for people doing bad things though I hate to be that guy, but it was a distinct movement that started in the 20th century. Doesn’t excuse any of the atrocities committed but colonialism was initially carried out by European monarchs most white people didn’t get to vote for that. White people were constantly reconstituting their philosophical systems to explain why they actually had the right to enslave and exploit people. Shit goes back to the ancient Greeks.
No, fascism is the marriage of corporations and the government, which allows them to legalise forced labor and genocide in order to drive down labor costs, monopolize whole industries by force and thereby maximizing profit. Fascism got adopted as the moniker for these types of governments because Mussolini made it very explicit with his “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.”, but that doesnt mean that the idea started in Italy. Was Nazi Germany not fascist? It’s a movement distinct from the italian blackshirts after all…
Lemmy socs have the same issues everywhere. Anything that isn’t exactly them is fascist. No difference between Fascist and fascist either. They don’t understand
Well thank god we have anti-woke warriors here to protect the liberals from getting skkkratched. “They dont understand” says the guy who wants us to believe that it’s only fascism if it comes from the italian region of europe, otherwise it’s just sparkling advanced capitalism.
Ok so you concede that Churchill was a fascist, but it’s fine because he got voted out?
And how exactly was Jim Crow and segregation ended though? Just peaceful voting? Black people successfully campaigned within the democrat framework, got on the ballot, were voted in, the racist policies were changed and everyone agreed to go by them? After the death of Stalin Franco famously saw the error of his ways and abdicated to make way for a democracy of the people?? Please make a more elaborate claim I don’t get what you’re alluding to with “other means”.
You talked about countries that didn’t “succumb to fascism” seems like Amerikkka started out fascist so you’re technically correct I guess in that it didn’t “succumb”, spain famously had an anarchist revolution that got brutally put down and a fascist monarchy got erected that lasted into the 1970s and Britain was famous for looting and genociding all over the globe so again, less succumbing and more just being the standard mode of operation.
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You’re the one claiming that the uSSa during the jim crow era, britain during the bengal famine and francoist spain weren’t fascist lmfao like skim some wikipedia articles or something wth
Well the USA and Britain weren’t fascist though they were bourgeoise liberal democracies like Dessalines said. Francoist Spain was fascist, but with a more Catholic bent as opposed to Nazism which wanted to create a weird neo occult religion.
USA literally.
Like I said as long as the victims aren’t white you wouldn’t consider it fascism. Like is the fact that the white population got to vote on how to oppress supposed to make it less fascist for the oppressed?
Fascism isn’t just a term for people doing bad things though I hate to be that guy, but it was a distinct movement that started in the 20th century. Doesn’t excuse any of the atrocities committed but colonialism was initially carried out by European monarchs most white people didn’t get to vote for that. White people were constantly reconstituting their philosophical systems to explain why they actually had the right to enslave and exploit people. Shit goes back to the ancient Greeks.
No, fascism is the marriage of corporations and the government, which allows them to legalise forced labor and genocide in order to drive down labor costs, monopolize whole industries by force and thereby maximizing profit. Fascism got adopted as the moniker for these types of governments because Mussolini made it very explicit with his “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.”, but that doesnt mean that the idea started in Italy. Was Nazi Germany not fascist? It’s a movement distinct from the italian blackshirts after all…
Apparently started in USA.
Lemmy socs have the same issues everywhere. Anything that isn’t exactly them is fascist. No difference between Fascist and fascist either. They don’t understand
Well thank god we have anti-woke warriors here to protect the liberals from getting skkkratched. “They dont understand” says the guy who wants us to believe that it’s only fascism if it comes from the italian region of europe, otherwise it’s just sparkling advanced capitalism.
No I’m claiming that during that same time period Stalin was fighting Nazis. Other fascist groups existed and were ended through other means.
Ok so you concede that Churchill was a fascist, but it’s fine because he got voted out? And how exactly was Jim Crow and segregation ended though? Just peaceful voting? Black people successfully campaigned within the democrat framework, got on the ballot, were voted in, the racist policies were changed and everyone agreed to go by them? After the death of Stalin Franco famously saw the error of his ways and abdicated to make way for a democracy of the people?? Please make a more elaborate claim I don’t get what you’re alluding to with “other means”.
You talked about countries that didn’t “succumb to fascism” seems like Amerikkka started out fascist so you’re technically correct I guess in that it didn’t “succumb”, spain famously had an anarchist revolution that got brutally put down and a fascist monarchy got erected that lasted into the 1970s and Britain was famous for looting and genociding all over the globe so again, less succumbing and more just being the standard mode of operation.