• ol_capt_joe@piefed.ee
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    3 days ago

    Considering right now Ukraine is the strongest army in Europe and getting stronger, Russia is in a bad position and getting weaker, and the EU would crush Russia if it went all in right now, I think only a pusscake would suggest giving up Ukrainian territory for EU membership.

  • misk@piefed.social
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    3 days ago

    It’d be a massive clusterfuck to accept a member state with ongoing territorial disputes involving tanks and bombs so this isn’t exactly revelatory.

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      3 days ago

      True but if it’s THAT obvious then there’s no need to say it, either. Every European soundbyte that urges Ukraine to accept territorial losses undermines its negotiating position with Russia in any peace talks. You don’t offer final concessions as an initial position. The optimal negotiating position for Ukraine is for Russia to be hearing “we’re behind Ukraine 100%; don’t give those Russian bastards a thing” from Ukraine’s allies. It doesn’t need to be the truth. Russia doesn’t even need to believe that we mean it. But Russia seeing its negotiating counterparties bravely hiding weakness is better than Russia seeing its negotiating counterparties so close to the brink that they’re not even capable of putting on a brave face anymore.

      Russia isn’t publicly, officially acknowledging any painful realities on its side, even though we know the challenges it’s refusing to acknowledge, so we shouldn’t be the first to blink either. This isn’t a negotiation between friends.

      Politicians don’t need to idly shoot the breeze on foreign policy just to please voters. There are some subjects where sharing idle opinions off the cuff is counterproductive. To quote The Godfather: “never tell anybody outside the family what you’re thinking again”.