Huh? Is this how people interpret defensiveness? That’s wild to me. If someone told me they thought it was a good idea for them to steal all my stuff and kill me, for instance, you best believe I’m getting defensive. People get defensive when you attack something they want to defend.
Edit: to be clear, all I’m saying here is that people can get defensive about something without secretly thinking its bad. I despise Joe Rogan and I think his listeners are dumb.
When English speakers say someone gets defensive, it usually doesn’t refer to literally the act of mounting a defense, without any moral connotation.
Instead, they usually refer to someone telling on themselves, by mounting a defense where there was no attack intended on them.
Like that recent trump interview, where pedophiles got mentioned, and he immediately “got defensive”, screaming that he’s not a pedophile, even though nobody made that statement about him in that interview.
lol, you just proved their point quite well. Your example implicitly makes the equation between listening to Joe Rogan with theft and murder, and it immediately being understood as such just by virtue of being asked “do you listen to Joe Rogan”?
No, that’s a misunderstanding. I am not making that equation at all. And even if that was the way you wanted to read it, you’d have it backwards. The person criticizing Rogan is the one I “would be equating” with theft and murder. But, of course, I’m not saying that either. You’ve simply misunderstood me.
I was giving an example of someone saying something that attacks something that’s important to me, namely, my property and my well-being. And using this to linguistically illustrate how, even though I definitely believe that my property and my well-being are something that’s right for me to maintain, I might still get defensive about it when someone attacks it.
In my example, the thief is the attacker and I am the defender. In the original context, the Rogan-criticizer is the attacker (of a belief, basically) and the Rogan-listener is the defender.
My point was to show that people get defensive when something important to them is attacked, regardless of whether they’re “pretending not to know its bad” or not. I certainly am not pretending not to know that my well-being is bad.
I know its tempting to want to take every opportunity to dunk on the Rogan listeners and be like “lol, they’re getting defensive because deep down they know they’re wrong!”, but that is just a nonsensical way of thinking. Especially when they’ve already given us a legitimate reason to dunk on them, which is that they like to listen to a moron.
From your responses so far, I don’t believe you, and it would be very hard to change my mind, I also really don’t fucking care. I was more addressing your response in general.
It really is better to just walk away sometimes, friend. You’re really not doing yourself any favors. Take the L now, it will only get bigger and there is no W in this for you.
Why are you assuming he is deceiving you? Do you have like a mind reader device because if you do mom says you have to share, not cool to hog the mind reading device for yourself
There’s no L here my dude, just you demonstrating incredibly poor reading comprehension. Its okay though, you’re probably just upset because deep down you realize you were wrong
I was going to reply to your other post, but then I got this far and realized you’re a condescending prick to everyone else as well, so I’m just gonna block and move on. Bye
Not always. For example, if I were “caught” eating pig meat in a Muslim country, I would probably be defensive. Without that actually meaning that I genuinely thought there were anything bad about eating pig meat.
As an analogy, you can in theory be defensive about watching Joe Rogan without genuinely thinking there is anything wrong with Joe Rogan.
I will say, though, if someone can clock that he’s a regular listener to a specific podcast after he tells them some (as he sees it) common sense opinions on everyday topics like dating, then that is worth taking note of and doing some introspection rather than getting defensive.
If someone was telling me about their Alexa spying on them, and I threw out a “Mulch the rich”, and they replied “Oh, you listen to the MBMBaM podcast?” I would think “Shit, am I being brainwashed without realizing it? That podcast isn’t even political…”
It’s a little different but there’s an artist who got caught with a teenager. Sucks cuz I loved his music but when other people find out I’ve been to their shows I usually bring that part up. Most people who listen to him don’t even know about it until I tell them. He just wasn’t famous enough for it to pop in everyone’s algorithm. People rely on tiktok, reels and shorts for most of their information. If it doesn’t trend for them then they don’t know about it. They also form opinions based off of their algorithm.
Getting defensive means they know it’s bad, but somehow still pretend to themselves it’s not?
Huh? Is this how people interpret defensiveness? That’s wild to me. If someone told me they thought it was a good idea for them to steal all my stuff and kill me, for instance, you best believe I’m getting defensive. People get defensive when you attack something they want to defend.
Edit: to be clear, all I’m saying here is that people can get defensive about something without secretly thinking its bad. I despise Joe Rogan and I think his listeners are dumb.
Yeah English is a bad language.
When English speakers say someone gets defensive, it usually doesn’t refer to literally the act of mounting a defense, without any moral connotation.
Instead, they usually refer to someone telling on themselves, by mounting a defense where there was no attack intended on them.
Like that recent trump interview, where pedophiles got mentioned, and he immediately “got defensive”, screaming that he’s not a pedophile, even though nobody made that statement about him in that interview.
lol, you just proved their point quite well. Your example implicitly makes the equation between listening to Joe Rogan with theft and murder, and it immediately being understood as such just by virtue of being asked “do you listen to Joe Rogan”?
No, that’s a misunderstanding. I am not making that equation at all. And even if that was the way you wanted to read it, you’d have it backwards. The person criticizing Rogan is the one I “would be equating” with theft and murder. But, of course, I’m not saying that either. You’ve simply misunderstood me.
I was giving an example of someone saying something that attacks something that’s important to me, namely, my property and my well-being. And using this to linguistically illustrate how, even though I definitely believe that my property and my well-being are something that’s right for me to maintain, I might still get defensive about it when someone attacks it.
In my example, the thief is the attacker and I am the defender. In the original context, the Rogan-criticizer is the attacker (of a belief, basically) and the Rogan-listener is the defender.
My point was to show that people get defensive when something important to them is attacked, regardless of whether they’re “pretending not to know its bad” or not. I certainly am not pretending not to know that my well-being is bad.
I know its tempting to want to take every opportunity to dunk on the Rogan listeners and be like “lol, they’re getting defensive because deep down they know they’re wrong!”, but that is just a nonsensical way of thinking. Especially when they’ve already given us a legitimate reason to dunk on them, which is that they like to listen to a moron.
Does that help clarify what I was saying?
Dude… we get it, you listen to Rogan, but nobody is crucifying you for that but yourself.
Next time just say nothing, seriously.
I do not listen to Rogan, I hate Rogan. I’m assuming you’re being sarcastic but, yknow, may the record show that I do not like Joe Rogan one bit lol
From your responses so far, I don’t believe you, and it would be very hard to change my mind, I also really don’t fucking care. I was more addressing your response in general.
It really is better to just walk away sometimes, friend. You’re really not doing yourself any favors. Take the L now, it will only get bigger and there is no W in this for you.
Why are you assuming he is deceiving you? Do you have like a mind reader device because if you do mom says you have to share, not cool to hog the mind reading device for yourself
There’s no L here my dude, just you demonstrating incredibly poor reading comprehension. Its okay though, you’re probably just upset because deep down you realize you were wrong
I was going to reply to your other post, but then I got this far and realized you’re a condescending prick to everyone else as well, so I’m just gonna block and move on. Bye
Sure.
Not always. For example, if I were “caught” eating pig meat in a Muslim country, I would probably be defensive. Without that actually meaning that I genuinely thought there were anything bad about eating pig meat.
As an analogy, you can in theory be defensive about watching Joe Rogan without genuinely thinking there is anything wrong with Joe Rogan.
I will say, though, if someone can clock that he’s a regular listener to a specific podcast after he tells them some (as he sees it) common sense opinions on everyday topics like dating, then that is worth taking note of and doing some introspection rather than getting defensive.
If someone was telling me about their Alexa spying on them, and I threw out a “Mulch the rich”, and they replied “Oh, you listen to the MBMBaM podcast?” I would think “Shit, am I being brainwashed without realizing it? That podcast isn’t even political…”
A lot of people aren’t aware of most things.
It’s a little different but there’s an artist who got caught with a teenager. Sucks cuz I loved his music but when other people find out I’ve been to their shows I usually bring that part up. Most people who listen to him don’t even know about it until I tell them. He just wasn’t famous enough for it to pop in everyone’s algorithm. People rely on tiktok, reels and shorts for most of their information. If it doesn’t trend for them then they don’t know about it. They also form opinions based off of their algorithm.
It’s not everyone but a concerning amount.
It means they haven’t faced their shadow, let alone integrated it.
Shame!
It is most likely that they really don’t know and are just being defensive like most people get when someone points out they are wrong.