‘bootlicker’ from the person who thinks policing is ‘positive institution overall’ and romanticizes oligarchic slave states.
I’m sorry that you think that bootlicking for North Korea is in some way anti-authoritarian. I hope you get better - but I know fascists rarely do.
it’s also rich calling me ignorant when all you’ve done is display manifest ignorance of anarchism
Sorry that acknowledging that a lack of policing institutions is pretty core to most anarchist thought. I’m also sorry for pointing out that the fucking totalitarian states you bootlick for aren’t anarchist in the least.
dispersed, hierarchical violence isn’t necessarily better than centralized monopoly on violence, both are bad. you have just been desperate to run some revisionism though. like you keep calling me a fascist, despite you being the one trying to act like it was just a minor footnote that this was still an oligarchic slave state full of incredible violence.
you insist on making straw targets to go after, you make up shit constantly and haven’t been able to stop insulting me, nor have you really responded to anything I said.
Thank you for again missing what has explicitly been stated in exchange for some weird pop-culture interpretation of Roman law.
like you keep calling me a fascist,
You bootlick for North Korea. There’s not much else you could be except a fascist. Unless you’d like to explain how Juche totally isn’t fascism for the class?
despite you being the one trying to act like it was just a minor footnote that this was still an oligarchic slave state full of incredible violence.
That was never denied, dipshit, and is entirely apart from the point being made. Sorry that you’re illiterate.
that was never denied, [insult] and is entirely apart from the point
you admit it was an oligarchic slave state full of violence but then go on to claim this doesn’t matter to your argument that it demonstrates ‘non-hierarchical community enforcement.’
a hierarchical slave state can’t demonstrate non-hierarchical anything. the violence and oligarchy are kind of the point.
i’m generally not interested in demonizing US-designated enemies when US imperialism is the primary issue. that don’t mean i endorse every part of those states, nor is it bootlicking. bootlicking would be romanticizing tyranny and defending policing as an institution.
you admit it was an oligarchic slave state full of violence but then go on to claim this doesn’t matter to your argument that it demonstrates ’non-hierarchical community enforcement.’ a hierarchical slave state can’t demonstrate non-hierarchical anything.
So your position is, then, that no part of Roman society was capable of being non-hierarchical because of the hierarchical nature of the state, and that, thus implied by said argument, no state, being innately hierarchical institutions, can demonstrate any aspect of non-hierarchical function in the societies they rule over?
Stunningly moronic and self-defeating. But I presume you’ll carve out all sorts of exceptions for your favorite genocidal police states that you constantly jerk off your murder-boner for.
i’m generally not interested in demonizing US-designated enemies when US imperialism is the primary issue.
No, but you are interested in praising them and engaging in atrocity denial. Tell us again how anarchism is one of the major contributors to Juche ideology. Or would you like me to quote you? I’m sure I can find it with a quick search.
that don’t mean i endorse every part of those states, nor is it bootlicking.
“It’s not bootlicking when I simp for a totalitarian police state, because US bad!”
Boot leather must taste delicious for you to be so eager and consistent in seeking it out.
bootlicking would be romanticizing tyranny and defending policing as an institution.
I love the part where you romanticize “AES” police states and defend them, and then deny it. But fascists like you have never believed that words have to mean anything.
I had to go and search for what you’ve got stuck in your craw about me.
I was saying that a core principle juche expresses (each revolution must be carried out by its own people, not directed by foreign powers) has genuine resonance with anarchist anti-imperialism, and that this principle has an anarchist lineage even if dprk juche as practiced is relatively inconsistent beyond that. i was citing shin chae-ho’s juche framework; he was literally warning other koreans about accepting help from even well-meaning foreign revolutionary movements.
So your position is … that no part of Roman society was capable of being non-hierarchical because of the hierarchical nature of the state
no, my point was that you’re romanticizing the conditions of ‘non-heirarchical’ tyranny by a bunch of slavers and patriarchs
thus implied by said argument, no state, being innately hierarchical institutions, can demonstrate any aspect of non-hierarchical function in the societies they rule over?
i did not say hierarchical states can’t contain horizontal practices.
i’m saying that horizontal practices among people constituted by their shared dominance over an excluded class aren’t evidence of non-hierarchical organization in any meaningful sense. they’re evidence that ruling classes can coordinate horizontally, which has never been in dispute.
Stunningly moronic and self-defeating. But I presume you’ll carve out all sorts of exceptions for your favorite genocidal police states that you constantly jerk off your murder-boner for.
gross, sexist insult. wish i could say it was surprising, but i am talking to the nazi dog
I was saying that a core principle juche expresses (each revolution must be carried out by its own people, not directed by foreign powers) has genuine resonance with anarchist anti-imperialism, and that this principle has an anarchist lineage even if dprk juche as practiced is relatively inconsistent beyond that
This you, buddy?
For example, the primary point of Juche is that each revolution must be carried out by its own people, rather than by a foreign power attempting to dominate the younger revolution towards its own interests. I would agree with this, and fun fact, Juche was actually coined as a term by Korean anarchists, and anarchists are still one of the leftist tendencies present in the DPRK to this day.
The PEOPLE’S ethnonationalism! The PEOPLE’S anarchist tendency of the Totalitarian Police State!
Fucking fascist.
no, my point was that you’re romanticizing the conditions of ’non-heirarchical’ tyranny by a bunch of slavers and patriarchs
“Romanticization is when you point out that formal policing institutions aren’t necessary for enforcement of norms and laws.”
lmao.
i did not say hierarchical states can’t contain horizontal practices.
i’m saying that horizontal practices among people constituted by their shared dominance over an excluded class aren’t evidence of non-hierarchical organization in any meaningful sense. they’re evidence that ruling classes can coordinate horizontally, which has never been in dispute.
All states involve excluded classes by their very definition, so yes, you are absolutely saying what I accused you of. Thank you for demonstrating.
gross, sexist insult. wish i could say it was surprising, but i am talking to the nazi dog
“Sexism is when masturbation”?
Yikes. I didn’t realize that you were simping for sex-negativity too. You’re really checking off the full list for being a reactionary fascist bootlicker, aren’t you?
you just quoted back me saying the same thing as if it was some kind of gotcha? I really don’t get what your point is supposed to be, other than barking. are you saying that you think that revolutions should be getting intervened in? it’s like the nazi dog sees red anytime a state enemy is mentioned.
re: your roman meltdown
I specifically said that oligarchs coordinating amongst themselves does not mean it’s a non-hierarchical society. i didn’t say that ‘no state can have horizontal practices’, you even quoted me saying as much. that’s not at odds with all states having hierarchy.
you’re just making shit up and attacking straw targets at this point. there’s no reason to romanticize the roman empire when the ruling class coordinating to maintain social control is not at all uncommon, slaveholders being peers is in fact very common and not particularly relevant to “a core piece of anarchist ideology [enforcement of laws and norms without formal policing forces]”
re: your sexism
i didn’t appreciate sexual comments about my genitals, but you’re stuck in attack dog mode and are calling me a fascist reactionary because i find your behavior gross.
i have no problem with sex. i find you disgusting and i don’t appreciate you making references to my genitals, especially when it’s not relevant and wasn’t invited.
you just quoted back me saying the same thing as if it was some kind of gotcha? I really don’t get what your point is supposed to be, other than barking.
Absolutely stunning that you highlight everything except the most relevant portion and pretend that ignoring that makes it go away.
I specifically said that oligarchs coordinating amongst themselves does not mean it’s a non-hierarchical society.
Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
i didn’t say that ’no state can have horizontal practices’, you even quoted me saying that. that’s not at odds with all states having hierarchy.
This you, or did you forget what you said already?
a hierarchical slave state can’t demonstrate non-hierarchical anything.
you’re just making shit up and attacking straw targets at this point.
The projection here is impressive.
there’s no reason to romanticize the roman empire
Me: “Even pre-modern polities which are hierarchical, like the Roman Republic, with an explicit note excluding the Roman Empire in the explanation which you clearly did not read, or could not read because it used too many words, demonstrate that the copaganda claim of policing forces being necessary are bunk.”
You: “Stop romanticizing the Roman Empire!”
i didn’t ask for sexual or gendered comments
I didn’t realize having a murder-boner was gendered. I’m sure plenty of Zionists will be delighted to hear this.
i have no problem with sex, i find you disgusting and i don’t appreciate you making references to my genitals when it’s not relevant and wasn’t invited.
Maybe don’t bootlick for genocidal states and you won’t be accused of getting off on it? Just a thought.
I’m sorry that you think that bootlicking for North Korea is in some way anti-authoritarian. I hope you get better - but I know fascists rarely do.
Sorry that acknowledging that a lack of policing institutions is pretty core to most anarchist thought. I’m also sorry for pointing out that the fucking totalitarian states you bootlick for aren’t anarchist in the least.
dispersed, hierarchical violence isn’t necessarily better than centralized monopoly on violence, both are bad. you have just been desperate to run some revisionism though. like you keep calling me a fascist, despite you being the one trying to act like it was just a minor footnote that this was still an oligarchic slave state full of incredible violence.
you insist on making straw targets to go after, you make up shit constantly and haven’t been able to stop insulting me, nor have you really responded to anything I said.
also stop apologizing, it’s pathetic
Thank you for again missing what has explicitly been stated in exchange for some weird pop-culture interpretation of Roman law.
You bootlick for North Korea. There’s not much else you could be except a fascist. Unless you’d like to explain how Juche totally isn’t fascism for the class?
That was never denied, dipshit, and is entirely apart from the point being made. Sorry that you’re illiterate.
you admit it was an oligarchic slave state full of violence but then go on to claim this doesn’t matter to your argument that it demonstrates ‘non-hierarchical community enforcement.’ a hierarchical slave state can’t demonstrate non-hierarchical anything. the violence and oligarchy are kind of the point.
i’m generally not interested in demonizing US-designated enemies when US imperialism is the primary issue. that don’t mean i endorse every part of those states, nor is it bootlicking. bootlicking would be romanticizing tyranny and defending policing as an institution.
So your position is, then, that no part of Roman society was capable of being non-hierarchical because of the hierarchical nature of the state, and that, thus implied by said argument, no state, being innately hierarchical institutions, can demonstrate any aspect of non-hierarchical function in the societies they rule over?
Stunningly moronic and self-defeating. But I presume you’ll carve out all sorts of exceptions for your favorite genocidal police states that you constantly jerk off your murder-boner for.
No, but you are interested in praising them and engaging in atrocity denial. Tell us again how anarchism is one of the major contributors to Juche ideology. Or would you like me to quote you? I’m sure I can find it with a quick search.
“It’s not bootlicking when I simp for a totalitarian police state, because US bad!”
Boot leather must taste delicious for you to be so eager and consistent in seeking it out.
I love the part where you romanticize “AES” police states and defend them, and then deny it. But fascists like you have never believed that words have to mean anything.
I had to go and search for what you’ve got stuck in your craw about me.
I was saying that a core principle juche expresses (each revolution must be carried out by its own people, not directed by foreign powers) has genuine resonance with anarchist anti-imperialism, and that this principle has an anarchist lineage even if dprk juche as practiced is relatively inconsistent beyond that. i was citing shin chae-ho’s juche framework; he was literally warning other koreans about accepting help from even well-meaning foreign revolutionary movements.
no, my point was that you’re romanticizing the conditions of ‘non-heirarchical’ tyranny by a bunch of slavers and patriarchs
i did not say hierarchical states can’t contain horizontal practices.
i’m saying that horizontal practices among people constituted by their shared dominance over an excluded class aren’t evidence of non-hierarchical organization in any meaningful sense. they’re evidence that ruling classes can coordinate horizontally, which has never been in dispute.
gross, sexist insult. wish i could say it was surprising, but i am talking to the nazi dog
This you, buddy?
The PEOPLE’S ethnonationalism! The PEOPLE’S anarchist tendency of the Totalitarian Police State!
Fucking fascist.
“Romanticization is when you point out that formal policing institutions aren’t necessary for enforcement of norms and laws.”
lmao.
All states involve excluded classes by their very definition, so yes, you are absolutely saying what I accused you of. Thank you for demonstrating.
“Sexism is when masturbation”?
Yikes. I didn’t realize that you were simping for sex-negativity too. You’re really checking off the full list for being a reactionary fascist bootlicker, aren’t you?
you just quoted back me saying the same thing as if it was some kind of gotcha? I really don’t get what your point is supposed to be, other than barking. are you saying that you think that revolutions should be getting intervened in? it’s like the nazi dog sees red anytime a state enemy is mentioned.
re: your roman meltdown
I specifically said that oligarchs coordinating amongst themselves does not mean it’s a non-hierarchical society. i didn’t say that ‘no state can have horizontal practices’, you even quoted me saying as much. that’s not at odds with all states having hierarchy.
you’re just making shit up and attacking straw targets at this point. there’s no reason to romanticize the roman empire when the ruling class coordinating to maintain social control is not at all uncommon, slaveholders being peers is in fact very common and not particularly relevant to “a core piece of anarchist ideology [enforcement of laws and norms without formal policing forces]”
re: your sexism
i didn’t appreciate sexual comments about my genitals, but you’re stuck in attack dog mode and are calling me a fascist reactionary because i find your behavior gross.
i have no problem with sex. i find you disgusting and i don’t appreciate you making references to my genitals, especially when it’s not relevant and wasn’t invited.
darvo dog strikes again
Absolutely stunning that you highlight everything except the most relevant portion and pretend that ignoring that makes it go away.
Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
This you, or did you forget what you said already?
The projection here is impressive.
Me: “Even pre-modern polities which are hierarchical, like the Roman Republic, with an explicit note excluding the Roman Empire in the explanation which you clearly did not read, or could not read because it used too many words, demonstrate that the copaganda claim of policing forces being necessary are bunk.”
You: “Stop romanticizing the Roman Empire!”
I didn’t realize having a murder-boner was gendered. I’m sure plenty of Zionists will be delighted to hear this.
Maybe don’t bootlick for genocidal states and you won’t be accused of getting off on it? Just a thought.