• wrinkle2409@lemmy.cafeEnglish
    11·
    4 days ago

    Basically this part

    "If anyone says that they know for sure that LLMs or future AI systems couldn’t possibly be conscious, it’s more likely to be an indicator of their own dogmatism than a reflection of the current state of scientific and philosophical opinion,” he said.

    Current AI systems are unlikely to be conscious, said Jeff Sebo, the director of the Center for Mind, Ethics and Policy at New York University, but “Dawkins is right to ask about AI consciousness with an open mind and I also think that the attribution of consciousness to AI systems will become more plausible over time”.

    tl;dr it is unlikely but not impossible and I don’t think we would ever be able to reliably tell.

    • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      4 days ago

      We currently can’t even be sure that other humans are conscious. It’s an inherently internal experience, and we just have to rely on trusting other people’s accounts and “If I am, you probably are too” logic. Unfortunately neither of these approaches generalizes well to other species, or especially to AI.

      • blargh513@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        4·
        4 days ago

        Buddhism would tell you that there is no “self” to speak of. Without a self how can there be consciousness?

        The edges of our reality have never been anything we can perceive. However, it seems that they’re far away enough such that we can do fun things like have buttsex and smoke drugs, so I’m ok with it.

        • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          The Buddhist perspective is neat, and certainly a profoundly different way of thinking that I think is valuable. But I do think it’s hard to ignore that there is a conscious experience; there is something that it means to “be you”: it’s what you’re experiencing right now, and at all times, for all your life (except sometimes while asleep). This can be tested by taking drugs that remove this distinction and cause ego death (this is not a recommendation).

          In sumary: I appreciate the sentiment behind the whole one-with-the-universe thing, but ultimately I find it only figuratively true rather than literally. I can only truly experience who I am, not what anything else is. There is value to be found in attempting to anyways, but it is an unreachable goal to strive for, not something attainable.

    • daannii@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      2·
      4 days ago

      Well I don’t think a statistical probability formula can ever be conscious. Nor create it.

      Just like I don’t think a formula to calculate the speed of a car ever has the possibility of creating consciousness.

    • Skullgrid@lemmy.world
      2·
      4 days ago

      It’s more likely to be an indicator of their own dogmatism than a reflection of the current state of scientific and philosophical opinion,” he said.

      Current AI systems are unlikely to be conscious, said Jeff Sebo, the director of the Center for Mind, Ethics and Policy at New York University

      this is some “Arrested development” tier shit