• Riverside@reddthat.com
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    That would explain Chinese dominance in vehicles in general, not EVs in particular.

    Also, Chinese EV manufacturing facilities are so efficient precisely because they’re so incredibly highly automated, nothing to do with worker rights regardless of your opinion of China.

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      That would explain Chinese dominance in vehicles in general, not EVs in particular.

      Do ya see a bunch of Chinese ICE vehicles running around?

      Also, Chinese EV manufacturing facilities are so efficient precisely because they’re so incredibly highly automated

      They’re efficient because they have no concept of workers’ rights or IP. Not because they’re a country full of geniuses, and not because Big Oil is keeping them down, regardless of your opinion on China.

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        I guess American workers are treated too well and enjoy too much protection?

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          They enjoy many many protections that don’t exist in China. Denying this is just ignorant. Its how China became a superpower. Its why the US offshored all of their production to a country on the other side of the planet.

          The Chinese can open a factory in the US anytime, but they won’t because its too expensive, and undermines the CCP’s goal of dominating emerging markets.

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        Nah, you’re just a propagandized westerner who hasn’t done the most cursory research on the degree of automation in Chinese EV industry. Enjoy malding in your ignorance while your country’s industry crashes and burns

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          That China has terrible workers rights is a fact. That China also has a lot of automation is an unrelated fact that is also true.

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              Its unrelated to a conversation about the oil industry and lobbyists, obviously, yes.

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              Mostly. Price is a complex problem. Cost is a floor factor and automation affects that somehow. It is hard to know when automation lower prices as this depends on relative labor costs which have been going up in China.

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              Chinese EVs are cheaper because the control the supply chain from mining to battery production. It has nothing to do with automation or cheaper labor, US plants are all automated. Chinese cars need to cost more for transport.

              It is impossible to build lower cost cars in the US with healthcare costs, and Trump has only made that worse. US is the only country that ties healthcare to employment.

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          The degree of automation is not relevant to a discussion about why they’re being kept out of other countries, or anything to do with Big Oil.

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        There are plenty of Chinese ICE vehicles, what on earth are you talking about ? MG got rolling here in the UK with ICE before releasing hybrids and EVs, Chery only have ICE and hybrids here etc etc Same in Australia with BYD and the rest.

        You’re poorly informed.