History shows that wars are divided into two kinds, just and unjust. All wars that are progressive are just, and all wars that impede progress are unjust. We Communists oppose all unjust wars that impede progress, but we do not oppose progressive, just wars. Not only do we Communists not oppose just wars; we actively participate in them. As for unjust wars, World War I is an instance in which both sides fought for imperialist interests; therefore, the Communists of the whole world firmly opposed that war. The way to oppose a war of this kind is to do everything possible to prevent it before it breaks out and, once it breaks out, to oppose war with war, to oppose unjust war with just war, whenever possible.
So I understand the point you’re making about NATO vs Russia.
But with Ukraine, all the events you point to are more akin to civil war/civil unrest. I don’t see how that directly conflates with Russia’s invasion being just. Especially since there is little evidence of Russia directly suffering from that unrest and all evidence points to Russia actually fanning the flames of that conflict leading up to their invasion.
The thing that’s extra backwards is that if you’re claiming Russia’s war is just, by those merits Israel’s war is more just. Iran’s government has repeatedly called for the annihilation of Israel and it’s not even disputed that they provide funds for Hezbollah and Hamas. Not to mention Israel has actually been invaded in recent history.
I don’t think either is just, but Russia’s stance is more tenuous than Israel’s, which is why this graphic seems to be pushing a narrative more than anything else.
So I understand the point you’re making about NATO vs Russia.
Namely that the western powers deliberately engineered a crisis and neo-nazi takeover of Ukraine to use it as a battering ram against Russia?
But with Ukraine, all the events you point to are more akin to civil war/civil unrest
I absolutely do not agree. What I’m describing is literal apartheid and ethnic cleansing, endorsed at the state level both tacitly and explicitly in force of law. In fact that’s one of the main reasons we can clearly identify both the Banderite regime in Ukraine and the genocidal aparteid entity as the “bad guys” - they are doing the same crimes against humanity using the same methods.
Iran’s government has repeatedly called for the annihilation of Israel and it’s not even disputed that they provide funds for Hezbollah and Hamas.
Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas are all allies in a resistance struggle against the most evil country on earth, backed by the waning empire of the West. The colonial genocidal “state of Israel” should be disbanded and the settlers should go back to the West from whence they came.
but Russia’s stance is more tenuous than Israel’s
I absolutely do not agree with this at all. Israel is a tiny waning colonial outpost and worldwide pariah while Russia is an enormous civilizational state and natural resources superpower. However it is easy to confuse the situation when they have near total media control in the West while Russia rolls over and doesn’t even try.
In what way is Ukraine a battering ram? All the issues you point to are internal issues in Ukraine (even if we were to believe that they are NATO backed). I never heard a Ukranian backed assault on Russia (until after Russia invaded). Even if we believe everything you claim none of that indicates a planned attack on Russia.
Best case you’re arguing that Russia is making a pre-emptive strike because they believe there is some external threat from Ukraine in the future, but that seems kinda weak.
I think maybe you’re not understanding that US literally did a color revolution in order to put the neo-Nazis in power because they wanted the war to happen.
If you want evidence that this callous logic was being employed in the west, this think tank paper from 2019 lays it out quite clearly. They correctly predict that the interventions they advocate for will lead to war and Ukraine will be destroyed. Apparently they don’t see this as a problem, as long as Russia is “extended”.
It’s all just psychopathic scheming to control natural resources. Ukraine (Russia), Iran, Venezuela, Iraq, Libya are all just manifestations of the violence they will engage in to maintain global hegemony
Ukraine put it in their post-Maidan constitution that they had to join NATO. Sure, Ukraine’s civil war was its own internal affair, but the main issue at play was hostility to Russia and wanting to join the West. Why would Russia see this as anything but a threat? More NATO bases, another NATO member, and this one adjacent to the Russian heartland. A lot of people scoffed about US bases surrounding Iran, but it turns out that those were there for a reason - attacking Iran! In retrospect, Russia’s position looks more rational rather than less.
History shows that wars are divided into two kinds, just and unjust. All wars that are progressive are just, and all wars that impede progress are unjust. We Communists oppose all unjust wars that impede progress, but we do not oppose progressive, just wars. Not only do we Communists not oppose just wars; we actively participate in them. As for unjust wars, World War I is an instance in which both sides fought for imperialist interests; therefore, the Communists of the whole world firmly opposed that war. The way to oppose a war of this kind is to do everything possible to prevent it before it breaks out and, once it breaks out, to oppose war with war, to oppose unjust war with just war, whenever possible.
–Quotations from Chairman Mao ZeDong Chapter 5 War and Peace
Okay, but what’s the justification for supporting Russia from that perspective, what makes that war “just”.
Decades of provocations from the West
So I understand the point you’re making about NATO vs Russia.
But with Ukraine, all the events you point to are more akin to civil war/civil unrest. I don’t see how that directly conflates with Russia’s invasion being just. Especially since there is little evidence of Russia directly suffering from that unrest and all evidence points to Russia actually fanning the flames of that conflict leading up to their invasion.
The thing that’s extra backwards is that if you’re claiming Russia’s war is just, by those merits Israel’s war is more just. Iran’s government has repeatedly called for the annihilation of Israel and it’s not even disputed that they provide funds for Hezbollah and Hamas. Not to mention Israel has actually been invaded in recent history.
I don’t think either is just, but Russia’s stance is more tenuous than Israel’s, which is why this graphic seems to be pushing a narrative more than anything else.
Namely that the western powers deliberately engineered a crisis and neo-nazi takeover of Ukraine to use it as a battering ram against Russia?
I absolutely do not agree. What I’m describing is literal apartheid and ethnic cleansing, endorsed at the state level both tacitly and explicitly in force of law. In fact that’s one of the main reasons we can clearly identify both the Banderite regime in Ukraine and the genocidal aparteid entity as the “bad guys” - they are doing the same crimes against humanity using the same methods.
Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas are all allies in a resistance struggle against the most evil country on earth, backed by the waning empire of the West. The colonial genocidal “state of Israel” should be disbanded and the settlers should go back to the West from whence they came.
I absolutely do not agree with this at all. Israel is a tiny waning colonial outpost and worldwide pariah while Russia is an enormous civilizational state and natural resources superpower. However it is easy to confuse the situation when they have near total media control in the West while Russia rolls over and doesn’t even try.
In what way is Ukraine a battering ram? All the issues you point to are internal issues in Ukraine (even if we were to believe that they are NATO backed). I never heard a Ukranian backed assault on Russia (until after Russia invaded). Even if we believe everything you claim none of that indicates a planned attack on Russia.
Best case you’re arguing that Russia is making a pre-emptive strike because they believe there is some external threat from Ukraine in the future, but that seems kinda weak.
I think maybe you’re not understanding that US literally did a color revolution in order to put the neo-Nazis in power because they wanted the war to happen.
If you want evidence that this callous logic was being employed in the west, this think tank paper from 2019 lays it out quite clearly. They correctly predict that the interventions they advocate for will lead to war and Ukraine will be destroyed. Apparently they don’t see this as a problem, as long as Russia is “extended”.
It’s all just psychopathic scheming to control natural resources. Ukraine (Russia), Iran, Venezuela, Iraq, Libya are all just manifestations of the violence they will engage in to maintain global hegemony
Ukraine put it in their post-Maidan constitution that they had to join NATO. Sure, Ukraine’s civil war was its own internal affair, but the main issue at play was hostility to Russia and wanting to join the West. Why would Russia see this as anything but a threat? More NATO bases, another NATO member, and this one adjacent to the Russian heartland. A lot of people scoffed about US bases surrounding Iran, but it turns out that those were there for a reason - attacking Iran! In retrospect, Russia’s position looks more rational rather than less.