I don’t doubt that the Ukrainian army is full nazis and fascists. I also don’t doubt that the Russian army is full of nazbols and fascists. Armies tend to attract those sorts.
I wouldn’t really know, but I would not imagine that Ukraine is a progressive country. Outside of the liberal enclaves of the bigger cities, I imagine it’s pretty bad actually. But here’s my surface level view.
Russia:
has invaded a neighbouring sovereign country,
puts people in prison for being openly gay,
has banned legal and healthcare provision for trans people, and
openly declares to the world stage that it is fighting a rearguard action against western degeneracy in favour of Christian family values.
(Admittedly I do not speak Russian and I can’t speak to what is translated as degeneracy or satanism or what-have-you, but no one has credibly disputed that this is the essence of what Russian ministers are saying on camera.)
Ukraine:
has not invaded any of its neighbours recently,
has, on paper at least, legal protections for LGBT people, and
is still signed up to the European Convention of Human Rights.
Regardless of the specific iconography that the less pleasant members of its citizenry choose to display their chuddery, one of the countries is prima facie more nazi than the other in its behaviour at this moment in time. And it’s going to take a lot more than “hurr durr imperialist propaganda” to convince me that it’s Ukraine, given those bare facts.
Pride parade in Kiev in 2022 lasted 10 minutes, organisators dispersed them because crowd of neonazis gathered and it started to look really dangerous. In 2023 it was cancelled afaik, in 2024 there was 500 participants and way more cops, and in 2025 there was around 1500 participants including soldiers and support from other countries (with unknown numbers for both) and there was so many cops they formed multiple ranks around.
I suppose you’re going to tell me that every allegation that Ukraine is ethnically cleansing Russians is true, and every allegation than Russia is ethnically cleansing Ukrainians (and Georgians, for that matter) is a lie?
Pretty sure I just pointed out which one was less nazi. I think I was pretty clear about the fact that I definitely wouldn’t consider either one of them my friends.
I don’t doubt that the Ukrainian army is full nazis and fascists. I also don’t doubt that the Russian army is full of nazbols and fascists. Armies tend to attract those sorts.
I wouldn’t really know, but I would not imagine that Ukraine is a progressive country. Outside of the liberal enclaves of the bigger cities, I imagine it’s pretty bad actually. But here’s my surface level view.
Russia:
Ukraine:
Regardless of the specific iconography that the less pleasant members of its citizenry choose to display their chuddery, one of the countries is prima facie more nazi than the other in its behaviour at this moment in time. And it’s going to take a lot more than “hurr durr imperialist propaganda” to convince me that it’s Ukraine, given those bare facts.
Ukraine:
Has been engaged in ethnic cleansing since 2014
A pretty big one to leave out
they’re “pro”-LGBT tho 🥴
Pride parade in Kiev in 2022 lasted 10 minutes, organisators dispersed them because crowd of neonazis gathered and it started to look really dangerous. In 2023 it was cancelled afaik, in 2024 there was 500 participants and way more cops, and in 2025 there was around 1500 participants including soldiers and support from other countries (with unknown numbers for both) and there was so many cops they formed multiple ranks around.
it only took them 3 years to get in line with the propaganda lol
I suppose you’re going to tell me that every allegation that Ukraine is ethnically cleansing Russians is true, and every allegation than Russia is ethnically cleansing Ukrainians (and Georgians, for that matter) is a lie?
So much for “I just can’t help believe that maybe I shouldn’t be on their side” when it comes to Nazis…
Pretty sure I just pointed out which one was less nazi. I think I was pretty clear about the fact that I definitely wouldn’t consider either one of them my friends.