Howso? Abstinence until marriage was more normal back then, and deviations from that norm were viewed as aberrations. It’s almost the opposite today.
I guess I need to amend 50 years to 70+ years because it just dawned on me that 50 years ago was the '70s… in my mind “50 years ago” still means “1950s”…
But still.
Also, wasn’t the Beast’s curse broken by “true love’s first kiss”? So obviously they weren’t fucking because the movie ended right after their first kiss…
Pretend furries in fursuits? That’s the 2020’s version of blackface. Y’all are going to have a difficult time once the real furries get political representation
It was my best attempt at a joke saying that the beast is a real person that will be coming for all the furries. Really hard to craft while remaining funny and not antagonistic but probably failed.
I mean, in romeo and juliette, juliette is ALMOST 14 and her nurse is bothered by the fact that she still isn’t married, or engaged, or have a serious suitor, because she is becoming an old hag. Most of the young women in these old stories are VERY young by today’s standards. Which I think is why Disney often avoids specifically saying their age in their movies.
Just to mention, early drafts had her just passing her 17th birthday at the start of the movie. By the time production came around, there were no references to her age, and both the voice actor and animator have said they based off early 20s. In part because of her clear emotional intelligence, which isnt really teen level.
I’d say the lowest she could be considered at the start of the film would be 17, but I’d agree on early 20s personally.
My sister is younger than me by a decent margin and was prime age for the late 80s/early 90s world of Disney. I watched a lot of Disney with her.
Also, the definition of legal adulthood is fundamentally arbitrary. That’s an uncomfortable truth that people don’t like to have pointed out, but the only thing that makes “18 years and a day” in any substantial way different than “18 years minus a day” is that the laws in most places (not even all, to be honest) define midnight on one’s 18th birthday as the moment one becomes a legal adult.
It could just as easily be 21 or 25 or 19 or 20 or 17, and in some cases it is treated as one of those or another. But local laws are ultimately what make that determination, and those laws are written by humans. And the social consciousness has kind of just settled on 18 as the standard.
But even then, people don’t stick to it, because most people are still uncomfortable with the idea of a 28 year old dating an 18 or 19 year old. So why don’t we make the legal age of adulthood something higher, that everyone would be comfortable with acknowledging and granting full autonomy and rights to a person of that age?
The point is, that in previous centuries and in other cultures around the world, 18 was/is not the standard age of adulthood. And there’s no objective reason why it should be.
So even if a character in a pre-industrial fictional world happens to be 17, nothing about that suggests that she isn’t an adult.
I’m sure people will be outraged about me saying this and come up with all sorts of strawman arguments to deflect the truth so they don’t have to face it, but if so then that completely misses the point of what I’m saying in the first place.
I was actually pointing out she’s pretty old compared to other Disney princesses, I think you may be mixing me and someone else’s comment. I’m just pointing out her age from what we know.
As far as the birthday bit, it was discussed in a making of and in interviews, specifically there was one with Linda Woolverton who got brought in for a complete rewrite after it was initially presented in the late 80s. She also wrote for The Lion King and Mulan, and the screenplay for Maleficent. She specifically was responsible for the love of books by Belle, actually as part of a direct response to Ariel being… Well, kind of dull as a character.
Regardless of 17 or early 20s, provincial life would have had her - from a societal perspective - looking for suitors beginning around 17. She was considered an adult, and that was the reason for the birthday scene/reference (which got tossed). Given she had been saying no to everyone and there were whispers, that also leans toward her being juuust past that acceptable age, which would have been over 19.
So as I said, anywhere from 17 to early 20s but not a hard definition in the movie.
Well, TBF she IS really into a furry - that makes all sorts of people a bit squeamish.
Skill issue
He’s not a furry, he’s a monster, making Belle a monsterfucker.
BEASTeality
Her boyfriend turned back into a human, though. Maybe we should all chip in and get her a Bad Dragon gift card?
Fifty years ago you could depict a romance without everyone assuming that they’re fucking.
Simpler times, it was…
unrealistic for cishet sexual people (the assumed default)
Howso? Abstinence until marriage was more normal back then, and deviations from that norm were viewed as aberrations. It’s almost the opposite today.
I guess I need to amend 50 years to 70+ years because it just dawned on me that 50 years ago was the '70s… in my mind “50 years ago” still means “1950s”…
But still.
Also, wasn’t the Beast’s curse broken by “true love’s first kiss”? So obviously they weren’t fucking because the movie ended right after their first kiss…
You think you have to kiss to fuck?
It’s not impossible to do otherwise, but generally a typical progression (especially for someone’s first time) involves kissing before fucking.
There’s really no basis to assume that Belle fucked the Beast in monster form…
Is she really into furries, or is she just into monsterphelia?
More like “monster-feel-ya,” amirite?
Ursorite!
Real furry, fine
Pretend furries in fursuits? That’s the 2020’s version of blackface. Y’all are going to have a difficult time once the real furries get political representation
LGBTQ+ are still having problems with that, so I wouldn’t hold my breath.
I think the furries have an illuminati like presence and power over the modern world.
They control all our computer networks, security, and technology.
Unfortunately, they don’t yet seem to understand that themselves - I so wish they’d band together to wield their collective power.
Oh, they know, there just isn’t enough of them who want to do that… Yet
SiegedSec kind of did.
Given how expensive fur suits are, I feel like most of them are secretly tech oligarchs but we just don’t know it because we never see their faces…
What do you mean by real furry?
Because as far as I know, every single furry is wearing a suit right now.
And the beast was literally a monster-fied human being.
It was my best attempt at a joke saying that the beast is a real person that will be coming for all the furries. Really hard to craft while remaining funny and not antagonistic but probably failed.
No, it landed. It just went over that user’s head…
On the other hand, Belle is underaged, so those same people are now conflicted.
Is that canon? I don’t think the film mentions her age.
Are you just assuming that because she lives with family? You know that was the norm in the time period it’s set in, right?
She’s the youngest of a family of 12. She’s a maiden. It’s Disney
Youngest of 12 doesn’t mean she’s a child. That’s god awful logic.
And “maiden” back then basically meant “virgin”, which could be almost any unmarried adult woman. There’s no implication that she’s a child.
Mulan was Disney, do you want to try arguing that she was a child too? Even though she saw a matchmaker and joined the military?
I mean, in romeo and juliette, juliette is ALMOST 14 and her nurse is bothered by the fact that she still isn’t married, or engaged, or have a serious suitor, because she is becoming an old hag. Most of the young women in these old stories are VERY young by today’s standards. Which I think is why Disney often avoids specifically saying their age in their movies.
Just to mention, early drafts had her just passing her 17th birthday at the start of the movie. By the time production came around, there were no references to her age, and both the voice actor and animator have said they based off early 20s. In part because of her clear emotional intelligence, which isnt really teen level.
I’d say the lowest she could be considered at the start of the film would be 17, but I’d agree on early 20s personally.
My sister is younger than me by a decent margin and was prime age for the late 80s/early 90s world of Disney. I watched a lot of Disney with her.
Source for the early drafts thing?
Also, the definition of legal adulthood is fundamentally arbitrary. That’s an uncomfortable truth that people don’t like to have pointed out, but the only thing that makes “18 years and a day” in any substantial way different than “18 years minus a day” is that the laws in most places (not even all, to be honest) define midnight on one’s 18th birthday as the moment one becomes a legal adult.
It could just as easily be 21 or 25 or 19 or 20 or 17, and in some cases it is treated as one of those or another. But local laws are ultimately what make that determination, and those laws are written by humans. And the social consciousness has kind of just settled on 18 as the standard.
But even then, people don’t stick to it, because most people are still uncomfortable with the idea of a 28 year old dating an 18 or 19 year old. So why don’t we make the legal age of adulthood something higher, that everyone would be comfortable with acknowledging and granting full autonomy and rights to a person of that age?
The point is, that in previous centuries and in other cultures around the world, 18 was/is not the standard age of adulthood. And there’s no objective reason why it should be.
So even if a character in a pre-industrial fictional world happens to be 17, nothing about that suggests that she isn’t an adult.
I’m sure people will be outraged about me saying this and come up with all sorts of strawman arguments to deflect the truth so they don’t have to face it, but if so then that completely misses the point of what I’m saying in the first place.
I was actually pointing out she’s pretty old compared to other Disney princesses, I think you may be mixing me and someone else’s comment. I’m just pointing out her age from what we know.
As far as the birthday bit, it was discussed in a making of and in interviews, specifically there was one with Linda Woolverton who got brought in for a complete rewrite after it was initially presented in the late 80s. She also wrote for The Lion King and Mulan, and the screenplay for Maleficent. She specifically was responsible for the love of books by Belle, actually as part of a direct response to Ariel being… Well, kind of dull as a character.
Regardless of 17 or early 20s, provincial life would have had her - from a societal perspective - looking for suitors beginning around 17. She was considered an adult, and that was the reason for the birthday scene/reference (which got tossed). Given she had been saying no to everyone and there were whispers, that also leans toward her being juuust past that acceptable age, which would have been over 19.
So as I said, anywhere from 17 to early 20s but not a hard definition in the movie.