I don’t deny anyone a right to resistance. But I am never going to support terrorism and murder. Period.
For example, I think the Palestinians has every right to stand up against the tyranny of the state of Israel. There are plenty of ways to stand up against tyranny without supporting terrorism.
I am never going to condone war crimes and atrocities just because it’s happening to “the other side”.
I never told you to support the killing of innocent civilians which Hezbollah and Hamas did definitely do. Just legitimate resistance by attacking the Israeli soldiers which Hamas and Hezbollah does. Hassan never supported the target of civilians If we applied the term terrorist equally then your own country army was involved in terrorism or financing terrorism like the israeli terrorism, or the murder and torture of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. But the terrorism concept was created to target Muslims only. There is 30 countries designing Hamas at a terrorist group that mean there is 165 countries that don’t because it has nothing to do with them. Nelson Mandela party was also involved in atrocities against civilians. It disarmed and people involved i atrocities was held accountable after the end of apartheid not before .
Why are you saying that I am against legitimate resistance?
Hamas and Hezbollah might be attacking Israeli soldiers, but just like Israeli soldiers, they also attack civilians and commit war crimes. They are no better.
Why are you saying that I am against legitimate resistance?
Because Hamas is involved in legitimate resistance but you can’t admit it. Without Hamas Gaza would have been part of Israel and Palestinians ethnically cleansed completely decades ago , same with Hezbollah without them Lebanon would have been full of settlers terrorizing the local people You are a fucking hypocrite who always equate the aggressed to the aggressor. You are an idiot who would have talked about how the slaves and slaves owners was equally bad because Nat turner committed atrocities against kids too.
I believe that both side should be hold accountable in a peace process like how it happen in south africa . Apparently this make me a terrorist apologist. The terrorist apologist is you who deny Palestinians right to resist.
I am in solution mode. Yo are in blaming the oppressed mode
He’s backtracked on that statement and claimed it was satirical/hyperbole/sarcasm and poorly worded. While I’m all for criticism of American imperialism and globalized capitalism, if you’re going to target the people behind that, target them like Luigi is alleged to have done. The kids who were on the planes those zealots used had zero influence on the world they were born into but died anyway. The youngest was a two year old. Fuck Al Queda and fuck anyone who thinks that was an acceptable blow to the system.
I mean “America deserved it” and “those kids didn’t deserve it” and “the people who did it are evil” are all statements that can be true. There is no logical incompatibility there.
If a person blows up a building full of people and one of them was a serial killer, it’s very reasonable to believe “this was a bad act and most of these people didn’t deserve it” and “that one guy definitely did deserve it” at the same time.
Nah. There was no nuance to his statement, and he’s never backtracked or amended it in a way that acknowledges while the institutions deserved it, the method by which the attack was carried out killed children and people who had no connection to the institutions being targeted. They were collateral damage and part of the reason 9/11 is what it is. What he does have is an army of apologists who will tell other why what he said isn’t what he said, and if it was what was said it’s being taken out of context, and if it’s not out of context it’s actually three different statements, two of which he never said, but could be true, so accept that even though that’s not what he said. Like a bunch of fucking MAGAts arguing why Trumps words aren’t what he said or meant.
I never claimed he said those additional things. You’re the one putting words in his mouth by claiming that he was saying the kids deserved it or that the perpetrators were the good guys. “America deserved X” does not mean “the children involved deserved X” and it does not even mean “the people who did X did a good thing”. It means only “America deserved X”.
What he does have is an army of apologists who will tell other why what he said isn’t what he said, and if it was what was said it’s being taken out of context, and if it’s not out of context it’s actually three different statements, two of which he never said, but could be true, so accept that even though that’s not what he said.
I know you didn’t, that’s why I accused you of being an apologist.
“America deserved X” does not mean “the children involved deserved X” and it does not even mean “the people who did X did a good thing”. It means only “America deserved X”.
It doesn’t matter how you try to separate “America” the idea as deserving 9/11 from “Americans” who didn’t deserve it because when you flatten it to “America deserved 9/11”, you’re not separating the means from the end, and the means was jets filled with innocent people turned into missiles. 9/11 isn’t 9/11 without the kids who died on the planes to give America what it deserved.
Piker’s not an idiot. He knew that a comment like that would go viral, it’s a sensationalist hot take that will immediately cause an explosion of discussion, which then becomes a quick dismissal of “it was satire”, but most importantly, he flipped being held accountable for his lack of nuance on separating America from Americans into being attacked by his enemies.
If you’re so invested in your influencer that you will ignore endorsing actions that tools the lives of innocent children because the outcome was worth it in your eyes, you are not a progressive, or a socialist, or a communist, or an ally. There’s a certain strain of leftism that has emerged where America is always the worst so any action taken against it is acceptable, up to and including the death of a two year old. We’re going to have to be real careful about who’s getting into what power positions once MAGA is dealt with because we’ve got leftists who will preach solidarity now but would stab us in the back as so as the rebuilding begins.
Houthi and Hamas as far as I know
They are resistance groups with occasional terrorist operations. Hassan is only supporting the legitimate actions.
This is one of the dumbest things I have heard in a long time
The dumbest people are those who deny the colonized right to resist like you
I don’t deny anyone a right to resistance. But I am never going to support terrorism and murder. Period.
For example, I think the Palestinians has every right to stand up against the tyranny of the state of Israel. There are plenty of ways to stand up against tyranny without supporting terrorism.
I am never going to condone war crimes and atrocities just because it’s happening to “the other side”.
I never told you to support the killing of innocent civilians which Hezbollah and Hamas did definitely do. Just legitimate resistance by attacking the Israeli soldiers which Hamas and Hezbollah does. Hassan never supported the target of civilians If we applied the term terrorist equally then your own country army was involved in terrorism or financing terrorism like the israeli terrorism, or the murder and torture of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. But the terrorism concept was created to target Muslims only. There is 30 countries designing Hamas at a terrorist group that mean there is 165 countries that don’t because it has nothing to do with them. Nelson Mandela party was also involved in atrocities against civilians. It disarmed and people involved i atrocities was held accountable after the end of apartheid not before .
Why are you saying that I am against legitimate resistance?
Hamas and Hezbollah might be attacking Israeli soldiers, but just like Israeli soldiers, they also attack civilians and commit war crimes. They are no better.
Hassan is a terrorist apologist and so are you.
Because Hamas is involved in legitimate resistance but you can’t admit it. Without Hamas Gaza would have been part of Israel and Palestinians ethnically cleansed completely decades ago , same with Hezbollah without them Lebanon would have been full of settlers terrorizing the local people You are a fucking hypocrite who always equate the aggressed to the aggressor. You are an idiot who would have talked about how the slaves and slaves owners was equally bad because Nat turner committed atrocities against kids too.
I believe that both side should be hold accountable in a peace process like how it happen in south africa . Apparently this make me a terrorist apologist. The terrorist apologist is you who deny Palestinians right to resist.
I am in solution mode. Yo are in blaming the oppressed mode
“America deserved 9/11”
He’s backtracked on that statement and claimed it was satirical/hyperbole/sarcasm and poorly worded. While I’m all for criticism of American imperialism and globalized capitalism, if you’re going to target the people behind that, target them like Luigi is alleged to have done. The kids who were on the planes those zealots used had zero influence on the world they were born into but died anyway. The youngest was a two year old. Fuck Al Queda and fuck anyone who thinks that was an acceptable blow to the system.
I mean “America deserved it” and “those kids didn’t deserve it” and “the people who did it are evil” are all statements that can be true. There is no logical incompatibility there.
If a person blows up a building full of people and one of them was a serial killer, it’s very reasonable to believe “this was a bad act and most of these people didn’t deserve it” and “that one guy definitely did deserve it” at the same time.
Nah. There was no nuance to his statement, and he’s never backtracked or amended it in a way that acknowledges while the institutions deserved it, the method by which the attack was carried out killed children and people who had no connection to the institutions being targeted. They were collateral damage and part of the reason 9/11 is what it is. What he does have is an army of apologists who will tell other why what he said isn’t what he said, and if it was what was said it’s being taken out of context, and if it’s not out of context it’s actually three different statements, two of which he never said, but could be true, so accept that even though that’s not what he said. Like a bunch of fucking MAGAts arguing why Trumps words aren’t what he said or meant.
I never claimed he said those additional things. You’re the one putting words in his mouth by claiming that he was saying the kids deserved it or that the perpetrators were the good guys. “America deserved X” does not mean “the children involved deserved X” and it does not even mean “the people who did X did a good thing”. It means only “America deserved X”.
I know you didn’t, that’s why I accused you of being an apologist.
It doesn’t matter how you try to separate “America” the idea as deserving 9/11 from “Americans” who didn’t deserve it because when you flatten it to “America deserved 9/11”, you’re not separating the means from the end, and the means was jets filled with innocent people turned into missiles. 9/11 isn’t 9/11 without the kids who died on the planes to give America what it deserved.
Piker’s not an idiot. He knew that a comment like that would go viral, it’s a sensationalist hot take that will immediately cause an explosion of discussion, which then becomes a quick dismissal of “it was satire”, but most importantly, he flipped being held accountable for his lack of nuance on separating America from Americans into being attacked by his enemies.
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dam, the downvotes on this
If you’re so invested in your influencer that you will ignore endorsing actions that tools the lives of innocent children because the outcome was worth it in your eyes, you are not a progressive, or a socialist, or a communist, or an ally. There’s a certain strain of leftism that has emerged where America is always the worst so any action taken against it is acceptable, up to and including the death of a two year old. We’re going to have to be real careful about who’s getting into what power positions once MAGA is dealt with because we’ve got leftists who will preach solidarity now but would stab us in the back as so as the rebuilding begins.