Ah, OK. I rolled the dice on that one. Didn’t realise you would so easily agree. I think I see that we just have different views on whether a country represents the ideals of one or a smaller number of actors, whether or not they have made their way to the higher echelons of government. It’s clear that we’re not going to see eye to eye on this. Thanks for the exchange though.
That’s fair. To be honest I started with the theory that you were a bot or some pro-Russian propaganda tool. Now I believe you’re human I’d like apologise for the aggression. You didn’t deserve that.
pro-ukraine/pro-NATO bots outnumber pro-Russia bots at about a ratio of 10:1 by the way, even per western sources. It’s way more likely that any liberal pro-western person you talk to online is a bot than a “tankie” commie will be. Bots don’t tend to take extremely unpopular positions like communism, communists do. they try to fit in and act ‘normal’, they don’t die on principled hills. they also tend to target large userbases like on reddit or youtube, not tiny little lemmy subforums with 10 readers
Where are you getting your information for this? I’m not about to take this idea onboard cause some guy on the internet told me and he really sounded like he meant it.
In the English language community, there are 100,084 nodes and 573,885 edges, where there are 57.72% pro-Ukraine bots, 31.58% pro-Ukraine humans, 7.49% pro-Russia bots, and 3.21% pro-Russia humans
7.5 : 1 ratio, not 10:1, sorry for the slight mistake there. Most of the pro-russia english bots are also on the conservative side, not the leftist side.
Credit where credit’s due. That is a source. Just not quite for what I understand you are stating. This study was published in 2025, and used an internal Chinese university funding source in the year 2023/4. It is exclusively looking at Twitter (X) and Reddit posts about the Bucha massacre which took place in April 2022.
You appear to have taken elements of this study and are extrapolating it to reinforce a unilateral world view for all time that bears little association with the original research.
I ask you to note that genuine scientific research always starts from a position of openness to new information. This would be true if the study was repeated for a new topic today.
What genuine conclusions can we reach here? That Ukraine is heavily appealing to the west for support? That’s a widely known fact.
Does this activity validate Russia’s position, and can we assume they aren’t engaged in propaganda on VK or other social networks more popular in their country? No!
It’s also widely known that Russia’s challenge is convincing their country to send their sons to war. That’s going to put a massively different spin on the nature of the propaganda and where it can be found.
Even if I concede your bot ratio argument. The bottom line here is that I’m staggered by the opinions so easily found here, and I’m doing what I can to test various theories I have to understand what’s actually going on. So far I’ve been shown nothing genuinely surprising or new, except for the wild interpretations of much more sober facts.
Ah, OK. I rolled the dice on that one. Didn’t realise you would so easily agree. I think I see that we just have different views on whether a country represents the ideals of one or a smaller number of actors, whether or not they have made their way to the higher echelons of government. It’s clear that we’re not going to see eye to eye on this. Thanks for the exchange though.
I’m not thankful you’ve been nothing but an aggressive petulant child caping for Nazis because you hate Russia.
That’s fair. To be honest I started with the theory that you were a bot or some pro-Russian propaganda tool. Now I believe you’re human I’d like apologise for the aggression. You didn’t deserve that.
pro-ukraine/pro-NATO bots outnumber pro-Russia bots at about a ratio of 10:1 by the way, even per western sources. It’s way more likely that any liberal pro-western person you talk to online is a bot than a “tankie” commie will be. Bots don’t tend to take extremely unpopular positions like communism, communists do. they try to fit in and act ‘normal’, they don’t die on principled hills. they also tend to target large userbases like on reddit or youtube, not tiny little lemmy subforums with 10 readers
Where are you getting your information for this? I’m not about to take this idea onboard cause some guy on the internet told me and he really sounded like he meant it.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1140/epjds/s13688-025-00528-y#%3A~%3Atext=In+the+English+language+community%2C3.21%25+pro-Russia+humans.
7.5 : 1 ratio, not 10:1, sorry for the slight mistake there. Most of the pro-russia english bots are also on the conservative side, not the leftist side.
Credit where credit’s due. That is a source. Just not quite for what I understand you are stating. This study was published in 2025, and used an internal Chinese university funding source in the year 2023/4. It is exclusively looking at Twitter (X) and Reddit posts about the Bucha massacre which took place in April 2022.
You appear to have taken elements of this study and are extrapolating it to reinforce a unilateral world view for all time that bears little association with the original research.
I ask you to note that genuine scientific research always starts from a position of openness to new information. This would be true if the study was repeated for a new topic today.
https://theprint.in/tech/60-80-of-twitter-accounts-posting-on-russia-ukraine-war-bots-90-pro-ukraine-finds-new-study/1114878/?amp
We’re back to 9:1, should have taken the 7.5:1
Again, this is 2022. And again is exclusively looking at hash tags on Twitter. Here’s the actual source https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-19097-1_3
What genuine conclusions can we reach here? That Ukraine is heavily appealing to the west for support? That’s a widely known fact.
Does this activity validate Russia’s position, and can we assume they aren’t engaged in propaganda on VK or other social networks more popular in their country? No!
It’s also widely known that Russia’s challenge is convincing their country to send their sons to war. That’s going to put a massively different spin on the nature of the propaganda and where it can be found.
Even if I concede your bot ratio argument. The bottom line here is that I’m staggered by the opinions so easily found here, and I’m doing what I can to test various theories I have to understand what’s actually going on. So far I’ve been shown nothing genuinely surprising or new, except for the wild interpretations of much more sober facts.