• wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
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    6 hours ago

    Pretty sure the user is talking specifically about AI data centers. We could even be more precise and say LLM datacenters.

    I haven’t read the article so I don’t know if the legislation makes a distinction. If not, it should. But a state-wide ban on LLM datacenters is a good idea. A nationwide ban on them would be a good idea, if it were politically feasible at this time.

    Not only is it a bubble economy based on pure speculation, and doomed to collapse catastrophically at some point, as well as putting a pinch on critical supply chains such as for compute hardware, but California has areas that are facing water shortages and they certainly don’t need big tech building giant new data centers that will hog all this water for cooling while polluting what’s left.

    Not to mention global warming and society’s outdated reliance on fossil fuels making these giant computers a terrible idea. Not only does it make electricity more expensive for residential consumers, while increasing the amount of fossil fuels being burned and the CO2 being put into the atmosphere, but the computer hardware alone creates so much heat that it has a measurable effect on the temperature of the area around it.

    I could go on. There’s lots of reasons to be opposed to new LLM datacenters. And it seems kinda disingenuous to deflect by categorizing them with every other kind of datacenter. Those other kinds of datacenters aren’t the ones people are talking about.

    • hansolo@lemmy.today
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      2 hours ago

      Look, let’s start at the source. The measure in a small, dense suburbia town was to ban “data centers.” All of them. All kinds, all types.

      https://ballotpedia.org/Monterey_Park,_California,_Measure_NDC,_Prohibit_Data_Centers_Measure_(June_2026)

      I’ve been to Monterey Park several times. It’s nice. But it’s just LA suburbia. Very rational to expect problems from any building being turned into a data center to be right up on top of mostly residential areas.

      So, now you’re talking about not just making a leap as to what the commenter meant, but also that they were taking about something else because they were misinformed.

      I get not wanting LLM only data centers. I agree. Put those fuckers in orbit as far as I’m concerned. I actually love that idea. But data centers have been necessary utilities for decades. They’re not new. They’re not innovative. They let you organize online. They let you call you granny. They show you cat videos. They save lives, and other than very recent LLM needs did more good than harm in the grand scheme of things.

      I’m asking you to just understand that the thing you’ve only just heard about it used for lots of things, and has been around for years.