I’ve never liked the idea that I have to trust my VPN, and this news raises a pretty significant trust issue. Makes me think I’ve been approaching this from the wrong angle.
I’ve been looking at TOR, I2P, Reticulim, Freenet, Snowflake, IPFS
Tor get’s blocked a lot. It’s the fastest of the options. The level of anonymization is ok. If you piss off a nation-state, it may not protect you sufficiently. It’s had a history of leaks, If an intelligence ag owns enough of the exits, timing attacks might out you.
I2P is more secure, harder to block, but it’s really slow and has very limited access to the clearnet. It’s also super easy to DDOS. There are some torrents, forums and chatrooms out there on i2p, latency is rough.
Reticulum is pretty cool. It’s a protocol and you access things like nomad net on it. It’s crypto is good, there’s no clearnet access. It may have issues when/if it scales
Snowflake is slow AF, mainly used to get anonymous access out from restricted nations-states.
IPFS web3 crypto storage. you can host files/sites on it. It’s kinda hard to make stuff on there go away, it’s also kinda hard to get stuff to stay. If you’re not paying a pinning service, even daily scripting the pins to keep data up there is a losing battle. It’s slow, fragile, not very anonymous.
This is way worse than what Yen did. This guy donated a lot of money to a party that explicitly pushes demigration policies, and if there was any doubt that this was a motivating factor for the donation, he later said he felt those policies were necessary. That’s understandable to not want to give your money to someone who you know is going to go bankroll demigration politics with some of your money.
Yen praised the Republicans at large over an anti trust pick.
I think the other criticisms of Proton’s policy changes are valid, and everyone has different standards for what is enough to divest from a company I guess, but I’ve heard people calling Yen a fascist sympathizer for that statement, and that’s just divorced from reality imo.
The party is “pushing” for something that is already law. Re-migration, at least in a Swedish context, aims to let people VOLUNTARILY return to their home country but with the intensive to get some cash to start up their new lifes there.
Örebro Party leader Markus Allard goes to the election on expulsions. He opens to withdraw citizenship and also expel second generation of immigrants – even if they were born in Sweden.
“I’m prepared to cross corpses,” he said.
One suggestion that he has is that citizenship and permanent residence permits can be torn up – with reference to “Sweden is the country of Swedes”.
In a section of Yoshi’s Podcast, Allard develops his view on expulsions and explains that he prepared to “go over corpses” to bring home unwanted immigrants.
The host notes that there will be no beautiful sight when, for example, immigrant mothers who have been on maternity leave for 15 years are to be deported together with their children.
“It’s not going to be pretty to send these people home,” he said.
Markus Allard agrees, but says:
I think you can handle that optics.
Even the children will need to be deported, he explains.
He further explains that many of the problems relate to second-generation immigrants.
They are going out too. Even if they were born in Sweden, because they have no natural connection to Sweden. They are not Swedes. They have not become Swedes. It says Sweden in the passport, but they have not been interested in becoming part of Sweden. There’s a difference. It’s a qualitative difference," Allard said.
Yes soo the article you sent now has more info, and more to grab at. I don’t know why fria tider made him sound way more harsh that he actually is in the interview. But if you check the clip they have linked he is clearly talking about people who does not want to be part of Swedish society and/or criminals. I do not feel that it is a fascist view to want to throw out non-citizens that commit crimes.
In many if not all countries in Europe this has been standard since like, forever. There is no logical reason why you should keep criminals within your borders.
I still wouldn’t support it and would probably pull my money from someone who is actively promoting it. Often this kind of sentiment is a soft pedaled version of more ugly policies, and I just don’t agree with it in the first place. I think nationalism is generally an ignorant position and the lesson of the 20th century should be that trying to maintain homogeneous states nearly always leads to genocide in the worst cases and apartheid states in the best of times. So this doesn’t assuage me much.
You are of course free to do what you want with your money! :)
Nationalism is about believing and wanting the concepts of nations/borders. And with that the analysis of the ethnicities within or outside those borders (by ethnicity I mean cultural not race), and that a nation should be a collection of people that work together to make that nation better. So blaming apartheid and genocide, is like blaming a hammer because it can be used to kill someone.
Perhaps, but one could argue it happens so often that the hammer lends itself to hammering this particular nail, and so often devolves into that. The Balkans are this experiment played out, attempting to carve out ethno states, and we’ve seen how that’s gone. Once you start saying things like “this country should only be (or primarily be) for X people”, you almost necessarily have to engage in some degree of genocide (in the wider sense of removing a people and culture that doesn’t fit the paradigm), or apartheid, otherwise the statement ends up a bit vacuous, no?
Israel is, in my view, a very clear example of this; once you’ve decided “this is a Jewish state”, anyone not Jewish by definition become second class citizens.
If we’re just talking general assimilation, that’s more nuanced… I don’t oppose calls for more assimilation, but I think governments have done a very poor job in using more stick than carrot. They tend to not put any effort in helping people integrate, which is, from experience, very difficult. One could argue it isn’t their responsibility, but I think such framings for state action is silly… either the state has an interest in a thing being done or it doesn’t, and in this case I think they very much do. Most immigrants that form insular communities do so not out of any inherent pull to, but because they’re already being somewhat ostracized. In the US, Chinatowns arose as a direct result of ostracization and discrimination.
I do think there is a danger of assimilation programs overzealously wiping out culture… the Sami have faced multiple attempts in the past at trying to stamp out their culture, the US and Australia religiously forced the elimination of many native cultures in the name of assimilation. It is also a fine line to walk. But there is undoubtedly a state interest (and immigrant interest!) in assimilating into society.
I’d argue the binding culture that should be assimilated shouldn’t be things as fuzzy as ethnicity… the culture that binds should be the values of that nation. Which doesn’t really have anything to do with ethnicity.
Removing its no logging policy after being compelled by court order to log and disclose a user’s IP and browser fingerprint.
Personally, I gave up on Proton after they amended their TOS to include a mandatory arbitration clause, including a ban on class action lawsuits. IMO only the dirtiest of corporations rely on mandatory arbitration clauses. Without the spectre of a class action lawsuit, if a VPN were to get caught breaking its promises to its users, the only real damage the company would likely suffer would be reputational. These are for-profit corporations. The only way we can hold them accountable is to put their profits at risk.
I do wonder what could they have done in the email case? I don’t think that there’s any country where they could just let you not comply with a court order. And due to how email works they can’t just encrypt the subject lines or the sender/receiver.
In that one case I lean more into pointing more fingers to the Swiss government, rather than to proton. They’re still not blameless tho, maybe they could have used some sort of canary to let people know they were being surveilled, and be more clear on how to avoid these situations.
Don’t log it, you can’t be compelled to hand over data you don’t have. They said outright that they didn’t log it.
Run SMTP purely on IO sockets. Don’t make files. You draft your email into your own cryptographically secure blob, When it’s time to send it, you fire it through an SMTP daemon built to use memory only, once it’s gone it’s gone. If the govt wants that data, they can go to the ISP for it. Maybe it communicates securely with SMTP servers set up in countries that are actually good at observing privacy.
Good Guy security provider could also terminate your account or lose your password.
The thing is, they oversold their security. They’re STILL overselling their security. The release rabid PR dogs / Trolls out there to discount/discredit people bitching about the situation.
ffs - first Proton, now this.
I’ve never liked the idea that I have to trust my VPN, and this news raises a pretty significant trust issue. Makes me think I’ve been approaching this from the wrong angle.
Anyone have experience with the TOR daemon?
I’ve been looking at TOR, I2P, Reticulim, Freenet, Snowflake, IPFS
Tor get’s blocked a lot. It’s the fastest of the options. The level of anonymization is ok. If you piss off a nation-state, it may not protect you sufficiently. It’s had a history of leaks, If an intelligence ag owns enough of the exits, timing attacks might out you.
I2P is more secure, harder to block, but it’s really slow and has very limited access to the clearnet. It’s also super easy to DDOS. There are some torrents, forums and chatrooms out there on i2p, latency is rough.
Reticulum is pretty cool. It’s a protocol and you access things like nomad net on it. It’s crypto is good, there’s no clearnet access. It may have issues when/if it scales
Snowflake is slow AF, mainly used to get anonymous access out from restricted nations-states.
IPFS web3 crypto storage. you can host files/sites on it. It’s kinda hard to make stuff on there go away, it’s also kinda hard to get stuff to stay. If you’re not paying a pinning service, even daily scripting the pins to keep data up there is a losing battle. It’s slow, fragile, not very anonymous.
This is way worse than what Yen did. This guy donated a lot of money to a party that explicitly pushes demigration policies, and if there was any doubt that this was a motivating factor for the donation, he later said he felt those policies were necessary. That’s understandable to not want to give your money to someone who you know is going to go bankroll demigration politics with some of your money.
Yen praised the Republicans at large over an anti trust pick.
I think the other criticisms of Proton’s policy changes are valid, and everyone has different standards for what is enough to divest from a company I guess, but I’ve heard people calling Yen a fascist sympathizer for that statement, and that’s just divorced from reality imo.
The party is “pushing” for something that is already law. Re-migration, at least in a Swedish context, aims to let people VOLUNTARILY return to their home country but with the intensive to get some cash to start up their new lifes there.
Sources…
https://www.migrationsverket.se/du-har-tillstand-i-sverige/internationellt-skydd-asyl/atervandringsbidrag.html
https://www.regeringen.se/pressmeddelanden/2025/10/ett-kraftigt-hojt-atervandringsbidrag
Totally already legal to cross corpses to remove the “fake Swedes.” Sweden is for Swedes after all.
https://www.friatider.se/markus-allard-om-andra-generationens-invandrare-de-ska-ocksa-ut
Yes soo the article you sent now has more info, and more to grab at. I don’t know why fria tider made him sound way more harsh that he actually is in the interview. But if you check the clip they have linked he is clearly talking about people who does not want to be part of Swedish society and/or criminals. I do not feel that it is a fascist view to want to throw out non-citizens that commit crimes.
In many if not all countries in Europe this has been standard since like, forever. There is no logical reason why you should keep criminals within your borders.
I still wouldn’t support it and would probably pull my money from someone who is actively promoting it. Often this kind of sentiment is a soft pedaled version of more ugly policies, and I just don’t agree with it in the first place. I think nationalism is generally an ignorant position and the lesson of the 20th century should be that trying to maintain homogeneous states nearly always leads to genocide in the worst cases and apartheid states in the best of times. So this doesn’t assuage me much.
That said, extra context is always welcome.
You are of course free to do what you want with your money! :)
Nationalism is about believing and wanting the concepts of nations/borders. And with that the analysis of the ethnicities within or outside those borders (by ethnicity I mean cultural not race), and that a nation should be a collection of people that work together to make that nation better. So blaming apartheid and genocide, is like blaming a hammer because it can be used to kill someone.
Perhaps, but one could argue it happens so often that the hammer lends itself to hammering this particular nail, and so often devolves into that. The Balkans are this experiment played out, attempting to carve out ethno states, and we’ve seen how that’s gone. Once you start saying things like “this country should only be (or primarily be) for X people”, you almost necessarily have to engage in some degree of genocide (in the wider sense of removing a people and culture that doesn’t fit the paradigm), or apartheid, otherwise the statement ends up a bit vacuous, no?
Israel is, in my view, a very clear example of this; once you’ve decided “this is a Jewish state”, anyone not Jewish by definition become second class citizens.
If we’re just talking general assimilation, that’s more nuanced… I don’t oppose calls for more assimilation, but I think governments have done a very poor job in using more stick than carrot. They tend to not put any effort in helping people integrate, which is, from experience, very difficult. One could argue it isn’t their responsibility, but I think such framings for state action is silly… either the state has an interest in a thing being done or it doesn’t, and in this case I think they very much do. Most immigrants that form insular communities do so not out of any inherent pull to, but because they’re already being somewhat ostracized. In the US, Chinatowns arose as a direct result of ostracization and discrimination.
I do think there is a danger of assimilation programs overzealously wiping out culture… the Sami have faced multiple attempts in the past at trying to stamp out their culture, the US and Australia religiously forced the elimination of many native cultures in the name of assimilation. It is also a fine line to walk. But there is undoubtedly a state interest (and immigrant interest!) in assimilating into society.
I’d argue the binding culture that should be assimilated shouldn’t be things as fuzzy as ethnicity… the culture that binds should be the values of that nation. Which doesn’t really have anything to do with ethnicity.
I’m out of the loop. What happened with proton?
Public statements of support from its CEO for a regime actively weaponizing technology to build a mass-surveillance state.
Removing its no logging policy after being compelled by court order to log and disclose a user’s IP and browser fingerprint.
Personally, I gave up on Proton after they amended their TOS to include a mandatory arbitration clause, including a ban on class action lawsuits. IMO only the dirtiest of corporations rely on mandatory arbitration clauses. Without the spectre of a class action lawsuit, if a VPN were to get caught breaking its promises to its users, the only real damage the company would likely suffer would be reputational. These are for-profit corporations. The only way we can hold them accountable is to put their profits at risk.
edit: looks like @oce beat me to it
I do wonder what could they have done in the email case? I don’t think that there’s any country where they could just let you not comply with a court order. And due to how email works they can’t just encrypt the subject lines or the sender/receiver.
In that one case I lean more into pointing more fingers to the Swiss government, rather than to proton. They’re still not blameless tho, maybe they could have used some sort of canary to let people know they were being surveilled, and be more clear on how to avoid these situations.
Don’t log it, you can’t be compelled to hand over data you don’t have. They said outright that they didn’t log it.
Run SMTP purely on IO sockets. Don’t make files. You draft your email into your own cryptographically secure blob, When it’s time to send it, you fire it through an SMTP daemon built to use memory only, once it’s gone it’s gone. If the govt wants that data, they can go to the ISP for it. Maybe it communicates securely with SMTP servers set up in countries that are actually good at observing privacy.
Good Guy security provider could also terminate your account or lose your password.
The thing is, they oversold their security. They’re STILL overselling their security. The release rabid PR dogs / Trolls out there to discount/discredit people bitching about the situation.
https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/
Alternatives to proton
https://www.xda-developers.com/replaced-entire-proton-subscription-with-free-private-apps/
Thank you.
That is very disappointing. Time to find a good alternative
Yet another certified bruh moment