Hard disagree on the bags thing. Again, proper channel have been followed by other parties multiple times to no avail. The government is profiting off of flock cameras, so they will not change. That leaves one option, and that’s destruction. Putting a bag over allows someone to just remove the bag. If enough cameras are smashed and have to be replaced infinitely, then maybe they’ll get the hint or the cost will exceed the value. It has to be effort and cost for them to fix or replace them, otherwise it’s a minor inconvenience.
Destruction is the only viable path to freedom. Trying to get it done legally in a flawed system who’s bias is pro flock cameras is not an option as has been proven.
Sure it can give them ammo, but the alternative is not giving them an excuse to which they’ll continue unabated. At least this way they have to work for it.
If you think that flock cameras should exist, then we are just never going to be on the same page, because their monitoring and the ability to search a person’s location without warrant is illegal, and that’s what’s happening. It’s established that going through “the proper channels” is not an option. They will not remove them because have a corrupt government that is the enemy of the people. Given the above, what options are left? A bag over the camera is nothing, but the consequences are likely the same as if it were destroyed. That means if someone is willing to put themselves at risk, then the best option is destruction. If enough people got on board, there’s nothing the government could do. There’s way more of us than there are of them.
Sometimes legality and the right thing don’t align, and this is one of those times.
I never said the cameras should exist. And if there’s already been a class action lawsuit (or whatever the equivalent is for getting cameras taken down in this man’s jurisdiction) please direct me to it.
The last town I heard of that got rid of their Flock cameras did so because people started putting in Freedom of Information requests for them. The authorities didn’t like the idea of the public having access to that information at all, and they knew it wouldn’t stand up in court because the usual excuses wouldn’t work. (Namely “think of the children” and “national security”.)
The only way to win is to make them take their own cameras down and rethink their ideas otherwise they’ll just keep on replacing the broken ones, charging the public for the privilege and locking up the offenders.
And finally, if there truly was no other option, which I’m yet to be convinced of, he shouldn’t have acted alone.
There are a handful of easily searchable lawsuits against flock cameras. I only say it that way because linking those is a pain on mobile and there’s enough examples that it’s easily searchable. Not trying to be defensive or deflecting.
I’ll concede that “the only option” was not good phrasing. However I still believe that it’s inline with going through proper channels. Even if the law comes through and bans flock, throughout that entire process, they are still recording. My belief is that this is a positive action and this person that risk his freedom is something of a hero.
I see your point of view and understand what you mean, but I just don’t agree with it. Sometimes anarchy is the answer, although I agree that it would be best done en masse rather than individually.
Hard disagree on the bags thing. Again, proper channel have been followed by other parties multiple times to no avail. The government is profiting off of flock cameras, so they will not change. That leaves one option, and that’s destruction. Putting a bag over allows someone to just remove the bag. If enough cameras are smashed and have to be replaced infinitely, then maybe they’ll get the hint or the cost will exceed the value. It has to be effort and cost for them to fix or replace them, otherwise it’s a minor inconvenience.
Destruction is the only viable path to freedom. Trying to get it done legally in a flawed system who’s bias is pro flock cameras is not an option as has been proven.
Sure it can give them ammo, but the alternative is not giving them an excuse to which they’ll continue unabated. At least this way they have to work for it.
If you think that flock cameras should exist, then we are just never going to be on the same page, because their monitoring and the ability to search a person’s location without warrant is illegal, and that’s what’s happening. It’s established that going through “the proper channels” is not an option. They will not remove them because have a corrupt government that is the enemy of the people. Given the above, what options are left? A bag over the camera is nothing, but the consequences are likely the same as if it were destroyed. That means if someone is willing to put themselves at risk, then the best option is destruction. If enough people got on board, there’s nothing the government could do. There’s way more of us than there are of them.
Sometimes legality and the right thing don’t align, and this is one of those times.
I never said the cameras should exist. And if there’s already been a class action lawsuit (or whatever the equivalent is for getting cameras taken down in this man’s jurisdiction) please direct me to it.
The last town I heard of that got rid of their Flock cameras did so because people started putting in Freedom of Information requests for them. The authorities didn’t like the idea of the public having access to that information at all, and they knew it wouldn’t stand up in court because the usual excuses wouldn’t work. (Namely “think of the children” and “national security”.)
The only way to win is to make them take their own cameras down and rethink their ideas otherwise they’ll just keep on replacing the broken ones, charging the public for the privilege and locking up the offenders.
And finally, if there truly was no other option, which I’m yet to be convinced of, he shouldn’t have acted alone.
There are a handful of easily searchable lawsuits against flock cameras. I only say it that way because linking those is a pain on mobile and there’s enough examples that it’s easily searchable. Not trying to be defensive or deflecting.
I’ll concede that “the only option” was not good phrasing. However I still believe that it’s inline with going through proper channels. Even if the law comes through and bans flock, throughout that entire process, they are still recording. My belief is that this is a positive action and this person that risk his freedom is something of a hero.
I see your point of view and understand what you mean, but I just don’t agree with it. Sometimes anarchy is the answer, although I agree that it would be best done en masse rather than individually.