Israel shared intelligence with the United States that Iran had recently devised a new plan to assassinate President Donald Trump, two sources familiar with matter told CNN, adding another layer of tension as a ceasefire deal between the countries comes under strain.
The bullshit part was the timeframe which they said they were going to be able to enrich the amount of uranium needed to make a viable nuclear weapon. Plus, they are a sovereign nation who are allowed to make nuclear weapons, especially considering the US unilaterally ended the treaty that prohibited nuclear programs.
Also, random people holding kill trump banners isn’t the same as the Iranian government making a feasible plan to assassinate the president.
Sure starting from nothing to enriching uranium to the level needed to build a nuclear weapon would take a long time. But a country that has a uranium enrichment program that has already enriched uranium to 60%?
Also, random people holding kill trump banners isn’t the same as the Iranian government making a feasible plan to assassinate the president.
The IRGC controls information in Iran. Large banners that say “We will kill Trump” wouldn’t be put up if the IRGC didn’t approve. Also they’ve wanted kill Trump since he assassinated Soleimani. Killing the Ayatollah probably didn’t change that.
I’m not saying Trump or Netanyahu are good, or that Iran doesn’t have a reason to want to kill them. But let’s not pretend the IRGC are innocent little lambs that would never ever do anything wrong. Trump, Netanyahu, the Ayatollah, the IRGC are all a bunch of shitbags.
Sure starting from nothing to enriching uranium to the level needed to build a nuclear weapon would take a long time. But a country that has a uranium enrichment program that has already enriched uranium to 60%?
Going for 60% to have a functional nuclear bomb is going to take longer than 2 weeks. You might be able to convert 60% to 90% if you had enough materials and enough centrifuges running, but that’s not a bomb. Not to mention the time required to make a delivery system. They’ve been producing highly enriched uranium since 2021, the two week claim was just another misleading justification for an unjust war.
And again, they are a sovereign country, they are allowed to build nuclear weapons. We aren’t invading every country in the world producing highly enriched uranium.
The IRGC controls information in Iran. Large banners that say “We will kill Trump” wouldn’t be put up if the IRGC didn’t approve.
Why wouldn’t the IRGC approve of their citizens disliking a world leader that is actively bombing them? Even if they approved the sentiment, it doesn’t mean they are actively making immediately actionable plans.
But let’s not pretend the IRGC are innocent little lambs that would never ever do anything wrong.
Putting this into the context of geopolitics… Did the IRGC commit any acts of war that would justify an invasion? Even if there were legitimate plans to take out the president of the United states, would that not be a valid wartime operation?
No one ever said tow weeks, except maybe Trump. But he’s not a source of information.
You might be able to convert 60% to 90% if you had enough materials and enough centrifuges running, but that’s not a bomb. Not to mention the time required to make a delivery system.
They have the centrifuges. They have a delivery system. Once they have the material, they’d be able to put together a little boy style bomb.
The IAEA reported last year they were detecting radiation in places where Iran did not report having nuclear material. So they were moving material around in secret. For what purpose we don’t know. But there’s only one purpose to having nuclear material enriched above 5%.
And again, they are a sovereign country, they are allowed to build nuclear weapons.
So now you’re admitting they’re building nuclear weapons?
Putting this into the context of geopolitics… Did the IRGC commit any acts of war that would justify an invasion?
No war is justified. It’s very 19th century to think this way. Wars are necessary when another nation threatens your survival.
Iran has made it clear they want to “wipe Israel off the map”. That means they have ambitions on being an existential threat to another nation. If they construct nuclear weapons they would have the means to execute that threat.
If a nation has the capability to eliminate an existential threat, it is necessary for them to do so. This is the way the world works, there are no 19th century style justifications for war anymore.
Even if there were legitimate plans to take out the president of the United states, would that not be a valid wartime operation?
Whether it’s valid or not is not relevant. It is a signal that they are not interested in a diplomatic outcome. If they wanted a diplomatic outcome, the IRGC wouldn’t have allowed the banners, or at the very least make sure it wasn’t publicized.
They are calling Trump out for another fight, that’s what this means.
No one ever said tow weeks, except maybe Trump. But he’s not a source of information
That was the statement you were originally replying too… That was the justification for the entire war.
They have the centrifuges. They have a delivery system. Once they have the material, they’d be able to put together a little boy style bomb
Any sources for that?
So now you’re admitting they’re building nuclear weapons
I’m saying there isn’t any reason a sovereign nation isn’t allowed to build a bomb if they wanted.
No war is justified. It’s very 19th century to think this way. Wars are necessary when another nation threatens your survival.
That’s a justification you fucking idiot.
Iran has made it clear they want to “wipe Israel off the map”. That means they have ambitions on being an existential threat to another nation. If they construct nuclear weapons they would have the means to execute that threat.
When has it ever been an official policy goal of Iran to “wipe Israel off the map”?
If a nation has the capability to eliminate an existential threat, it is necessary for them to do so
Ahh, yes. Because Israel is part of the United States?
Whether it’s valid or not is not relevant. It is a signal that they are not interested in a diplomatic outcome.
They were sticking to the nuclear accords before Trump unilaterally ended them… Seems like it’s the US that’s not interested in diplomatic outcomes.
I think you’ll find Iran is violating international law with it’s actions.
No war is justified. It’s very 19th century to think this way. Wars are necessary when another nation threatens your survival.
That’s a justification you fucking idiot.
When was the last time a country declared war? We stopped doing that kind of thing when it lead to two world wars and nuclear weapons came onto the scene. The way things are done now is there’s escalation and de-escalation. It allows countries to back off from a war.
I’m talking about international norms and you call be a “fucking idiot”. Maybe you need to educate yourself on how the world works beyond playing HOI4 or where ever you get your ideas from.
If a nation has the capability to eliminate an existential threat, it is necessary for them to do so
Ahh, yes. Because Israel is part of the United States?
Israel is an ally of the US. Do I need to explain how alliances work too FFS?
Whether it’s valid or not is not relevant. It is a signal that they are not interested in a diplomatic outcome.
They were sticking to the nuclear accords before Trump unilaterally ended them… Seems like it’s the US that’s not interested in diplomatic outcomes.
Congratulations, you finally got one right! Yes by all reports Iran was abiding by the JCPOA. Trump cancelled that then assassinated a general in his first term which made a war pretty much inevitable. It’s possible war could have been avoided had Americans voted for Harris. But broadly speaking Americans are too stupid to know when they are voting for war. They voted for the Iraq war and didn’t realize that, and by voting in Trump again they were voting for a war with Iran.
If we could rewind time and tell Bush not to do the “axis of evil” speech (which was the US signalling war with Iran) and use the time machine again and tell Trump to not cancel treaties with Iran and kill their general, and if they listened, then maybe a war could’ve been averted.
But since time travel isn’t a thing, the adults need to focus on the situation at hand and not obsess over grievances. Iran has developed the capability of building a nuclear weapon. They’ve consistently expressed a desire to be an existential threat to Israel. The use of a nuclear weapon would result in the deaths of millions. This is obviously unacceptable (if you’re not a fucking psychopath) and needs to be prevented.
The Iranian regime has also attacked all of it’s neighbours, and has targeted civilians. Iran is also responsible for October 7 which led to a war that resulted in the deaths of over 73,000 Palestinians. It’s clear they will attempt to repeat this in the future. Not to mention the fact that they’ve killed at least 30,000 Iranians to maintain their power.
Whatever grievances Iran has does not justify the evil acts their regime has brought onto the world. In an ideal world Bush would’ve never made the “axis of evil” speech, Trump wouldn’t have cancelled the JCPOA and wouldn’t have killed an Iranian general. But that it not the world we’re living. In the world we live in has Iran under control of some psychopaths that want to build a nuke.
Bottom line, these psychopaths can’t be allowed to have a nuke.
Ok so some guy on the internet called Chairman Meow said that. I didn’t say that.
Yes, and your response to that is what we have been discussing…
Yeah, the IAEA. It’s not my job look up information for you, the site is here: https://www.iaea.org/
So it’s a no then. They have ballistic missiles, but none with the range to deliver a nuclear warhead to Israel. The estimated timeline for them to have to develop an icbm is 2028. Also “IAEA reports indicate that Iran does not yet have a viable nuclear weapon design or a suitable explosive detonation system.”
Much of the information is in PDF form, and very technical stuff. So shit tier “journalists” won’t read it.
And only shit tier journalists are reporting on Iran…?
What about the nuclear non-proliferation treaty? I think you’ll find Iran is violating international law with it’s actions.
It is mostly a farce, as non of the signatories actually pursued disarmament in good faith, and nations including Israel have been secretly been working on nuclear weapons programs for years. The US itself has increased spending on its nuclear arsenal by over 20% in recent years. Plus, the treaty allows nations to withdraw in case of extraordinary events.
When was the last time a country declared war? We stopped doing that kind of thing when it lead to two world wars and nuclear weapons came onto the scene.
And war doesn’t exist unless it’s officially declared? Wars still happen, and they are still given justifications by those who make to their own citizens and to their allies.
international norms and you call be a “fucking idiot”.
Because you are being a pedantic idiot.
Israel is an ally of the US. Do I need to explain how alliances work too FFS?
Then why haven’t we invaded North Korea every time their leader says something about blowing up the South? It’s almost like it’s an idiotic justification used to playcate people like yourself.
Congratulations, you finally got one right! Yes by all reports Iran was abiding by the JCPOA. Trump cancelled that then assassinated a general in his first term which made a war pretty much inevitable.
Seems to directly refute your earlier claims…
Iran has developed the capability of building a nuclear weapon. They’ve consistently expressed a desire to be an existential threat to Israel. The use of a nuclear weapon would result in the deaths of millions.
Again, when has the official political stance of the Iranian government been to wipe Israel off the map? You don’t think that might be counter intuitive to there actual grievances? They are going to save Palestine by washing it in nuclear fallout?
A Nuclear weapons primary use is as a deterrent, noone is going to risk the global political backlash of being the first to unleash the nuclear arsenal in an offensive manor, not to mention it would ensure nuclear retaliation. It would essentially be a murder suicide on a national scale.
The Iranian regime has also attacked all of it’s neighbours, and has targeted civilians. Iran is also responsible for October 7 which led to a war that resulted in the deaths of over 73,000 Palestinians.
Israel has attacked all of its neighbors, are the people who actually murdered 73k Palestinians, and the people who are still engaged in a genocide.
Whatever grievances Iran has does not justify the evil acts their regime has brought onto the world. In an ideal world Bush would’ve never made the “axis of evil” speech, Trump wouldn’t have cancelled the JCPOA and wouldn’t have killed an Iranian general.
So Iran is responsible for their actions, but the US and Israel are not…go figure.
these psychopaths can’t be allowed to have a nuke.
Unfortunately we live in a world where the only real protection from the actual psychopaths with nuclear weapons is to develop nuclear capabilities yourself. They tried diplomacy, that didn’t work, the fact that you are blaming the party that actually stuck to the treaty says more about your psychopathy than anything else.
he estimated timeline for them to have to develop an icbm is 2028.
Do you even know what an ICBM is? Do you know that while Iran and Israel are a fair distance apart, they aren’t on different continents.
Then why haven’t we invaded North Korea every time their leader says something about blowing up the South? It’s almost like it’s an idiotic justification used to playcate people like yourself.
Because NK has nukes. Nothing we can do about them. They can oppress people, kill as many people as they want in their country, nobody can do much about it.
Are you saying you want Iran to be more like North Korea?
Israel has attacked all of its neighbors,
All of Israel’s neighbours have attacked Israel. Including Hamas. It was an absolutely insane act for Hamas do do this, it would obviously going to go very badly for the Palestinian people. But Hamas works for Iran, they don’t work towards the interests of the Palestinian people. If you’re pro-Iran, you’re anti-Palestinian.
So Iran is responsible for their actions, but the US and Israel are not…go figure.
Everyone is responsible for their own actions. You’re the only one that thinks Iran can fire rockets at civilian ship and shouldn’t face consequences. You probably also think Hamas should be able to commit actual genocidal acts and there shouldn’t be consequences.
Unfortunately we live in a world where the only real protection from the actual psychopaths with nuclear weapons is to develop nuclear capabilities yourself.
Who protects the Iranian people from the psychopaths that build the nukes? The IRGC have already slaughtered tens of thousands of Iranians. You seem to think this is a good thing and they should be untouchable so they can kill as many people as they want. Maybe you’re a psychopath too.
Do you even know what an ICBM is? Do you know that while Iran and Israel are a fair distance apart, they aren’t on different continents.
Do you know the distance between Iran and Israel? It’s over a thousand miles, which would take their largest two stage ballistic missiles to reach, and would likely not have the sufficient payload capacity to deliver a nuclear warhead with its current range capability. The medium range two stage ballistic missiles are also very easy to intercept because their range restraints require a straight line.
Because NK has nukes. Nothing we can do about them. They can oppress people, kill as many people as they want in their country, nobody can do much about it.
And why didn’t we invade them while they were developing the capability…?
Also, sounds kinda like a good reason for any country not aligned with western interest to develop nuclear weapons…
of Israel’s neighbours have attacked Israel.
And Israel has never attacked their neighbors? Is there a reason all their neighbors hate Israel, or is it just a coincidence?
don’t work towards the interests of the Palestinian people. If you’re pro-Iran, you’re anti-Palestinian.
I’m sure you know more than the Palestinians about who their real friends are.
Everyone is responsible for their own actions. You’re the only one that thinks Iran can fire rockets at civilian ship and shouldn’t face consequences.
Lol, extend that reasoning to why they would fire at the ships in the first place please.
You probably also think Hamas should be able to commit actual genocidal acts and there shouldn’t be consequences
Please… Link one credible source that calls the Oct 7th attack genocidal in nature. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. You’re the only one who thinks Israel can turn Palestine into a giant concentration camp and not face any consequences.
Who protects the Iranian people from the psychopaths that build the nukes?
And now you’re concerned for the Iranian people…sure. let’s save the Iranians by bombing their schools, that’s going to help.
The IRGC have already slaughtered tens of thousands of Iranians. You seem to think this is a good thing and they should be untouchable so they can kill as many people as they want.
Maybe if we didn’t want to gain this advantage the US shouldn’t have unilaterally ended the nuclear deal?
Also, nobody knows how many protestors were killed before the invasion the estimates vary pretty wildly. We won’t likely know for years from know, and the war may have made an actual investigation impossible. It could very well be similar to the false reports of the Iraqi army slaughtering civilians in Kuwait before the US invasion.
I’m not saying I’m a dyed in cloth supporter of the IRGC, I just don’t think the US has the right to act like it has the right to bomb any country it disagrees with.
The bullshit part was the timeframe which they said they were going to be able to enrich the amount of uranium needed to make a viable nuclear weapon. Plus, they are a sovereign nation who are allowed to make nuclear weapons, especially considering the US unilaterally ended the treaty that prohibited nuclear programs.
Also, random people holding kill trump banners isn’t the same as the Iranian government making a feasible plan to assassinate the president.
They already had a uranium enriched to 60% according to the IAEA. https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/update-on-developments-in-iran
Sure starting from nothing to enriching uranium to the level needed to build a nuclear weapon would take a long time. But a country that has a uranium enrichment program that has already enriched uranium to 60%?
The IRGC controls information in Iran. Large banners that say “We will kill Trump” wouldn’t be put up if the IRGC didn’t approve. Also they’ve wanted kill Trump since he assassinated Soleimani. Killing the Ayatollah probably didn’t change that.
I’m not saying Trump or Netanyahu are good, or that Iran doesn’t have a reason to want to kill them. But let’s not pretend the IRGC are innocent little lambs that would never ever do anything wrong. Trump, Netanyahu, the Ayatollah, the IRGC are all a bunch of shitbags.
Going for 60% to have a functional nuclear bomb is going to take longer than 2 weeks. You might be able to convert 60% to 90% if you had enough materials and enough centrifuges running, but that’s not a bomb. Not to mention the time required to make a delivery system. They’ve been producing highly enriched uranium since 2021, the two week claim was just another misleading justification for an unjust war.
And again, they are a sovereign country, they are allowed to build nuclear weapons. We aren’t invading every country in the world producing highly enriched uranium.
Why wouldn’t the IRGC approve of their citizens disliking a world leader that is actively bombing them? Even if they approved the sentiment, it doesn’t mean they are actively making immediately actionable plans.
Putting this into the context of geopolitics… Did the IRGC commit any acts of war that would justify an invasion? Even if there were legitimate plans to take out the president of the United states, would that not be a valid wartime operation?
No one ever said tow weeks, except maybe Trump. But he’s not a source of information.
They have the centrifuges. They have a delivery system. Once they have the material, they’d be able to put together a little boy style bomb.
The IAEA reported last year they were detecting radiation in places where Iran did not report having nuclear material. So they were moving material around in secret. For what purpose we don’t know. But there’s only one purpose to having nuclear material enriched above 5%.
So now you’re admitting they’re building nuclear weapons?
No war is justified. It’s very 19th century to think this way. Wars are necessary when another nation threatens your survival.
Iran has made it clear they want to “wipe Israel off the map”. That means they have ambitions on being an existential threat to another nation. If they construct nuclear weapons they would have the means to execute that threat.
If a nation has the capability to eliminate an existential threat, it is necessary for them to do so. This is the way the world works, there are no 19th century style justifications for war anymore.
Whether it’s valid or not is not relevant. It is a signal that they are not interested in a diplomatic outcome. If they wanted a diplomatic outcome, the IRGC wouldn’t have allowed the banners, or at the very least make sure it wasn’t publicized.
They are calling Trump out for another fight, that’s what this means.
That was the statement you were originally replying too… That was the justification for the entire war.
Any sources for that?
I’m saying there isn’t any reason a sovereign nation isn’t allowed to build a bomb if they wanted.
That’s a justification you fucking idiot.
When has it ever been an official policy goal of Iran to “wipe Israel off the map”?
Ahh, yes. Because Israel is part of the United States?
They were sticking to the nuclear accords before Trump unilaterally ended them… Seems like it’s the US that’s not interested in diplomatic outcomes.
Ok so some guy on the internet called Chairman Meow said that. I didn’t say that.
Yeah, the IAEA. It’s not my job look up information for you, the site is here: https://www.iaea.org/
Much of the information is in PDF form, and very technical stuff. So shit tier “journalists” won’t read it.
What about the nuclear non-proliferation treaty?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons#Iran
I think you’ll find Iran is violating international law with it’s actions.
When was the last time a country declared war? We stopped doing that kind of thing when it lead to two world wars and nuclear weapons came onto the scene. The way things are done now is there’s escalation and de-escalation. It allows countries to back off from a war.
I’m talking about international norms and you call be a “fucking idiot”. Maybe you need to educate yourself on how the world works beyond playing HOI4 or where ever you get your ideas from.
Israel is an ally of the US. Do I need to explain how alliances work too FFS?
Congratulations, you finally got one right! Yes by all reports Iran was abiding by the JCPOA. Trump cancelled that then assassinated a general in his first term which made a war pretty much inevitable. It’s possible war could have been avoided had Americans voted for Harris. But broadly speaking Americans are too stupid to know when they are voting for war. They voted for the Iraq war and didn’t realize that, and by voting in Trump again they were voting for a war with Iran.
If we could rewind time and tell Bush not to do the “axis of evil” speech (which was the US signalling war with Iran) and use the time machine again and tell Trump to not cancel treaties with Iran and kill their general, and if they listened, then maybe a war could’ve been averted.
But since time travel isn’t a thing, the adults need to focus on the situation at hand and not obsess over grievances. Iran has developed the capability of building a nuclear weapon. They’ve consistently expressed a desire to be an existential threat to Israel. The use of a nuclear weapon would result in the deaths of millions. This is obviously unacceptable (if you’re not a fucking psychopath) and needs to be prevented.
The Iranian regime has also attacked all of it’s neighbours, and has targeted civilians. Iran is also responsible for October 7 which led to a war that resulted in the deaths of over 73,000 Palestinians. It’s clear they will attempt to repeat this in the future. Not to mention the fact that they’ve killed at least 30,000 Iranians to maintain their power.
Whatever grievances Iran has does not justify the evil acts their regime has brought onto the world. In an ideal world Bush would’ve never made the “axis of evil” speech, Trump wouldn’t have cancelled the JCPOA and wouldn’t have killed an Iranian general. But that it not the world we’re living. In the world we live in has Iran under control of some psychopaths that want to build a nuke.
Bottom line, these psychopaths can’t be allowed to have a nuke.
Yes, and your response to that is what we have been discussing…
So it’s a no then. They have ballistic missiles, but none with the range to deliver a nuclear warhead to Israel. The estimated timeline for them to have to develop an icbm is 2028. Also “IAEA reports indicate that Iran does not yet have a viable nuclear weapon design or a suitable explosive detonation system.”
And only shit tier journalists are reporting on Iran…?
It is mostly a farce, as non of the signatories actually pursued disarmament in good faith, and nations including Israel have been secretly been working on nuclear weapons programs for years. The US itself has increased spending on its nuclear arsenal by over 20% in recent years. Plus, the treaty allows nations to withdraw in case of extraordinary events.
And war doesn’t exist unless it’s officially declared? Wars still happen, and they are still given justifications by those who make to their own citizens and to their allies.
Because you are being a pedantic idiot.
Then why haven’t we invaded North Korea every time their leader says something about blowing up the South? It’s almost like it’s an idiotic justification used to playcate people like yourself.
Seems to directly refute your earlier claims…
Again, when has the official political stance of the Iranian government been to wipe Israel off the map? You don’t think that might be counter intuitive to there actual grievances? They are going to save Palestine by washing it in nuclear fallout?
A Nuclear weapons primary use is as a deterrent, noone is going to risk the global political backlash of being the first to unleash the nuclear arsenal in an offensive manor, not to mention it would ensure nuclear retaliation. It would essentially be a murder suicide on a national scale.
Israel has attacked all of its neighbors, are the people who actually murdered 73k Palestinians, and the people who are still engaged in a genocide.
So Iran is responsible for their actions, but the US and Israel are not…go figure.
Unfortunately we live in a world where the only real protection from the actual psychopaths with nuclear weapons is to develop nuclear capabilities yourself. They tried diplomacy, that didn’t work, the fact that you are blaming the party that actually stuck to the treaty says more about your psychopathy than anything else.
Do you even know what an ICBM is? Do you know that while Iran and Israel are a fair distance apart, they aren’t on different continents.
Because NK has nukes. Nothing we can do about them. They can oppress people, kill as many people as they want in their country, nobody can do much about it.
Are you saying you want Iran to be more like North Korea?
All of Israel’s neighbours have attacked Israel. Including Hamas. It was an absolutely insane act for Hamas do do this, it would obviously going to go very badly for the Palestinian people. But Hamas works for Iran, they don’t work towards the interests of the Palestinian people. If you’re pro-Iran, you’re anti-Palestinian.
Everyone is responsible for their own actions. You’re the only one that thinks Iran can fire rockets at civilian ship and shouldn’t face consequences. You probably also think Hamas should be able to commit actual genocidal acts and there shouldn’t be consequences.
Who protects the Iranian people from the psychopaths that build the nukes? The IRGC have already slaughtered tens of thousands of Iranians. You seem to think this is a good thing and they should be untouchable so they can kill as many people as they want. Maybe you’re a psychopath too.
Do you know the distance between Iran and Israel? It’s over a thousand miles, which would take their largest two stage ballistic missiles to reach, and would likely not have the sufficient payload capacity to deliver a nuclear warhead with its current range capability. The medium range two stage ballistic missiles are also very easy to intercept because their range restraints require a straight line.
And why didn’t we invade them while they were developing the capability…?
Also, sounds kinda like a good reason for any country not aligned with western interest to develop nuclear weapons…
And Israel has never attacked their neighbors? Is there a reason all their neighbors hate Israel, or is it just a coincidence?
I’m sure you know more than the Palestinians about who their real friends are.
Lol, extend that reasoning to why they would fire at the ships in the first place please.
Please… Link one credible source that calls the Oct 7th attack genocidal in nature. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. You’re the only one who thinks Israel can turn Palestine into a giant concentration camp and not face any consequences.
And now you’re concerned for the Iranian people…sure. let’s save the Iranians by bombing their schools, that’s going to help.
Maybe if we didn’t want to gain this advantage the US shouldn’t have unilaterally ended the nuclear deal?
Also, nobody knows how many protestors were killed before the invasion the estimates vary pretty wildly. We won’t likely know for years from know, and the war may have made an actual investigation impossible. It could very well be similar to the false reports of the Iraqi army slaughtering civilians in Kuwait before the US invasion.
I’m not saying I’m a dyed in cloth supporter of the IRGC, I just don’t think the US has the right to act like it has the right to bomb any country it disagrees with.
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