Whelp. So I actually had the most interesting discussion I’ve had on ML. Generally, I ignore the nasty comments there and only respond to those who are actually trying to have a somewhat decent discussion. They’re few and far between, but they exist. Which ended up happening - I had an extended discussion with Cowbee on what a dictatorship is and what democracy is. While IMO there were pretty huge gaps in his arguments, I have to respect that he actually engaged in the discussion without the usual name-calling, putdowns and insults I’m used to on that corner of the fediverse (yes, it’s a low bar, but credit where credit is due). And I’ll be honest, it was a fascinating window into the world view of people who think like that. Call me crazy, but I actually learned something.

At some point, the discussion started going in circles, and I figured there’s no point continuing, since as far as I could tell, everything relevant had already been said, and he didn’t exactly seem to have anything new to add, either - so I stopped responding. (To be fair, I stopped responding once before because life got in the way, but the discussion resumed after I noticed that the thread was actually still alive for whatever reason.) This morning, I wake up - banned for 6 days. Reason: imperialist. The discussion had next to nothing to do with imperialism. It’s like whoever it is who banned me didn’t even bother trying to give a proper explanation. Meanwhile comments like

That’s literally exactly what that means you fucking moron

didn’t get a ban, even though they’re in blatant violation of rule 1:

Be civil and nice.

Interestingly enough, my comments are all still up. I’ve tried to archive it (unfortunately neither archive.org nor archive.is worked) because I actually genuinely found the discussion interesting, even if Cowbee’s arguments ended up reinforcing my own opinion more than I thought it would.

Weird place, ML.

EDIT: I checked lemmy.ml’s modlog and interestingly enough, my ban isn’t listed there, even though I’m very clearly banned from the community. Not sure what’s going on there (or if I’m maybe misunderstanding how this works)

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    I can’t see the post at the link, as it must have been removed, but going by your description, that’s also how it was for me on Hexbear (the Web Archive link there works). I ignored the worst comments but replied to the ones that seemed reasonable, yet ended up banned anyway. Then they proceeded to literally harass me against the comm’s rules, with one admin threatening to ban me from a reddit community they moderate over that incident on Lemmy. There’s hardly a better example of textbook harassment. I don’t think there’s any hope for them as a collective. I feel like us expecting reason from them is just our naivete or belief in people being better. And to be clear, they obviously don’t represent all or even a significant subset of people - it’s just that we were looking for hope and reason in the wrong places.

    Edit: Slightly clarified; improved a link.