• melsaskca@lemmy.ca
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    18 hours ago

    If you want portability, use e-mail. Social media is just a thing to holler into or engage with. If you are interested in particular topics then do the social media and pursue them. If you want to seriously co-ordinate and plan, use e-mail.

    • mrdown@lemmy.worldOP
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      17 hours ago

      Don’t tell people what they should do and what they shouldn’t. Full portability will allow people to confidently pick dmaller instsmces snd avoid centralizayion of users anf cintent in very few big instsnces and switch more easily the instances they are on.

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    The whole thing about moving from centralized to decentralized had a core glitch. Whatever server you signed on would effectively lock you in. What happened if things didn’t go as planned? LOLA is a good step, but it’s still not enough.

    Long time ago, URNs were designed to handle URLs that moved. These were permanent resource indicators that would allow the underlying data to move but not break the link. The HTTP redirect codes were supposed to help. Idea was, a website could redirect to a new location so clicking on a link would never get you a 404. It assumed both source and target site were still accessible so source could send the 301, 302, 307, or 308 codes. Very genteel. But what if the source site or account were zapped or suddenly blocked?

    Redirect codes work if the owner moved them and has now set up a suggested next location. But it doesn’t handle the negative reasons. Getting forcibly banned, site getting hacked, sites shutting down, owner not paying the bill (for economic, health, or political reasons), anything else that could render the content inaccessible. It’s nice to add constructs to avoid getting account hacked. But what if owner is in jail, muffled, coerced, going through a tough personal stretch, or dead?

    They still need to solve for real life and how shit happens.

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    2 days ago

    This is a big one. If this is made possible - to move accounts, that will enable freedom from vendor lock-in. (Or in this case, instance lock-in).

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    They mention early on how an instance going down (or not cooperating) breaks the current redirect system is a downside of activitypub, but how will that change with LOLA?

    However it works, I’m excited to see what they come up with

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      1 day ago

      In order to be truly portable you would need to be able to export your profile to keep a local copy.

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    This is one of the most fundamental problems with the design of the fediverse, nd whilst thus protocol does go some way towards addressing it, it feels like a but if a sticking plaster rather than a true solution. It’s something that I think the nostr protocol got right; your public key is your identity, and you sign posts with your private key. You send your posts to multiple servers, and publish the list of servers you’ve pushed as a message, so when people find it, they can also find the rest if your messages. There’s no needs to migrate your account as all of your content is duplicated on multiple servers, and your public key doesn’t change unless you lose the private key. Server owners can decide who’s allowed to post messages on their server, but the duplication means that no one admin can block you completely.

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    1 day ago

    “Yes, let’s name is LOLA, because that’s something everyone on the internet associates with positive things and ease of use and nothing horrible at all.”

    Edit - it’s possible I’m wrong on this one, because I’m an idiot.

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        1 day ago

        Hmm, ok. I really thought it was like loli or Lolita, but I’m just going to take your word on it because it’s not really a topic I want researching to end up in my permanent Google and government record.

        • fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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          Yeah like Lola Rabbit or Lola by The Kinks. …

          I swear I know a Lola or two IRL but dang my what came into mind pop culture wise really only kind of helps. Neither are Lolita related at least

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            I’d thought it literally meant little girl, but I just looked that up and I was definitely wrong on it. Must have been a Spanglish mangling on my part.

            Gordita definitely still means fat little girl, though, and I’m going to keep thinking that’s a weird ass thing to call a food.

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              18 hours ago

              No worries. Language is all made up anyways and full of weird origins and understandings. For all I know Lola does have some ancient freaky origin lol