Use of single-sex toilets, changing rooms and hospital wards in England, Scotland and Wales is now restricted according to a person’s birth sex, rather than the gender with which they identify.

Use of single-sex toilets, changing rooms and hospital wards in England, Scotland and Wales is now restricted according to a person’s birth sex, rather than the gender with which they identify.

  • WoodScientist@lemmy.world
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    10 hours ago

    You think the vast majority of TERF islanders will be more willing to see you as you wish to be seen before they switch most/all buildings to more efficient egalitarian use that even cis people benefit from, that frees architects developers and business operators all over the world from a lot of annoying local ordinances about equality of bathrooms between genders? Like they already do in many places?

    Absolutely. You’re proposing a complete reorientation of how people of all genders interact with restrooms. I’m proposing simply using the exact same system people have used for generations without trouble. I’m advocating for the pre-trans panic status quo. You’re advocating for radical social transformation. I don’t need any proof that my vision is possible, as I’m advocating for what has already existed!

    Say nonbinary people should have a right to exist in society and their identities are valid, they’re just as trans as binary trans people, and deserve the same level of safety and validation as everyone else. If you wouldn’t mind.

    If you wouldn’t mind, please don’t make bad-faith interpretations of what I wrote.

    Non-binary inclusion does not mean binary supremacy. I’m fine with having gender neutral restrooms wherever possible. And I’m fine with nonbinary people using whatever restroom they’re comfortable with. This is nonbinary inclusion

    What you’re advocating is nonbinary supremacy, where the whole culture has to live as nonbinary. We can’t have any gendered spaces at all, as that wouldn’t be accommodating nonbinary people.

    Again, inclusion refers to what you are allowed to participate in. You don’t get to tell other how to live their lives and whitewash it in language of inclusivity.

    You’re an enby supremacist.

    Enby inclusion: we build as many gender-neutral restrooms as we can, everyone can use the bathroom they’re most comfortable with.

    Enby supremacy: gender must be abolished entirely. Everyone must be nonbinary. Gendered restrooms must be ended completely. Any recognition of binary identities is bigotry.

    You seem to be suffering from a binary-phobia problem.

      • WoodScientist@lemmy.world
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        9 hours ago

        “So you are a bigot” - says the person who defines “inclusion” as the erasing of other people’s identities and invalidating of their lives.

        You’ve simply redefined bigotry as inclusion. Unless everyone becomes exactly like you, you’re being discriminated against.

        I want non-binary people included and as full equals of all other trans people. You want to deny others the right to affirm their gender. I want to give people more options. You want to control people.

        You’re an enby supremacist.