In the Captain America movie we learn that the current [MCU] President was near the same blast that created the first Hulk. Yadda yadda, the President becomes the Red Hulk and ends up in jail. Harrison Ford plays the President and he’s sorrowful for what happened and Captain America is also sad.
In Superman, Superman explicitly uses his powers to stop a genocidal war and the dictator gets killed. At one point Lois Lane questions if just having super powers gives Clark the right to do anything he wants, even if it’s good?
If you haven’t seen the MCU movies, see ‘Black Panther’ first. Then see ‘Captain America - The Winter Soldier.’ imho, those are the only two that would be interesting if you took out the super hero stuff.
Superman is a pretty fun movie. It was made by a fan boy, so it can be confusing if you don’t know who The Element Man or Krypto are.
In the Captain America movie we learn that the current [MCU] President was near the same blast that created the first Hulk. Yadda yadda, the President becomes the Red Hulk and ends up in jail. Harrison Ford plays the President and he’s sorrowful for what happened and Captain America is also sad.
No, the president (a formerly retired US army general named Ross who had been hunting the Hulk for years) is revealed to have been holding a character from the first Hulk movie in prison for years without trial and forcing that character (Samuel Sterns, AKA The Leader) to use his incredible genius to do two things: 1 - help him with his heart condition (which was what had forced his retirement in the first place) and 2 - help him win the presidency. It is then revealed that The Leader, instead of simply curing his heart condition, has been seeking revenge by dosing him slowly with a substance that has turned him into another Hulk; this one red.
The Leader then instigates a series of events which politically embarrass Ross and put him under increasing stress in the hopes of triggering a public hulkout which will ruin him. In this, he succeeds, and Captain America is forced to try and stop the Red Hulk somehow without killing him. Cap eventually succeeds in calming him down, at which point he reverts to Ross and is promptly imprisoned in super-jail.
I watched it but forgot most ofnit besides the part where even Sam is like "Why the fuck am I, a normal man, Captain America? Like Bucky here has super soldier shit AND a robot arm.
Heh, that’s fair, I think everyone was asking that question, especially during the Red Hulk fight. Vibranium only goes so far as an explanation for superhuman feats, I think. Still there was more nuance in the story and moral goals of the movie than I noticed at the time, but it did end up feeling like kind of an empty bridge to the next MCU thing rather than its own story. Ah well, it still wasn’t the worst.
Yeah, I don’t know shit about DC and I was fine not having any real background on anyone. Krypto especially.
After watching Supergirl though, I was annoyed.
I liked the plot, but it was too shallow and heavy handed. They could have spent a little more time on the writing. The bad guy was absolutely one dimensional and completely forgettable.
Also, so many deus ex machina macguffins. I guess you need to when you have a “Kryptonian” but they should have just kept her on a red planet and had her deal with everything without her super powers.
Then after she wins, have her get to a yellow sun and do super stuff for the fans. But the 72 hour poison, kryptonite darts, “Krem has the strength of a thousand men”, … that was just so lame.
Where is their production money going because it’s clearly not being spent on writing?
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At least she killed someone. So tired of homicidal maniacs being “brought in for justice.”
I’ve not seen the movie yet, but the comic it is based on is absolutely phenomenal and structured as a sort of myth telling exercise examining personal grief and effectively godhood. The villains are supposed to be one dimensional and incidental to Supergirl’s story.
Here’s my beef with Black Panther. They used every stale trope from every other Marvel movie in the script. Hero fights his evil version [Ant Man and Iron Man] Hero fights a member of his family [every Thor movie] Hero is presumed dead [Winter Soldier]
Klaw would have been a much better baddie than Killmonger.
In the Captain America movie we learn that the current [MCU] President was near the same blast that created the first Hulk. Yadda yadda, the President becomes the Red Hulk and ends up in jail. Harrison Ford plays the President and he’s sorrowful for what happened and Captain America is also sad.
In Superman, Superman explicitly uses his powers to stop a genocidal war and the dictator gets killed. At one point Lois Lane questions if just having super powers gives Clark the right to do anything he wants, even if it’s good?
If you haven’t seen the MCU movies, see ‘Black Panther’ first. Then see ‘Captain America - The Winter Soldier.’ imho, those are the only two that would be interesting if you took out the super hero stuff.
Superman is a pretty fun movie. It was made by a fan boy, so it can be confusing if you don’t know who The Element Man or Krypto are.
No, the president (a formerly retired US army general named Ross who had been hunting the Hulk for years) is revealed to have been holding a character from the first Hulk movie in prison for years without trial and forcing that character (Samuel Sterns, AKA The Leader) to use his incredible genius to do two things: 1 - help him with his heart condition (which was what had forced his retirement in the first place) and 2 - help him win the presidency. It is then revealed that The Leader, instead of simply curing his heart condition, has been seeking revenge by dosing him slowly with a substance that has turned him into another Hulk; this one red.
The Leader then instigates a series of events which politically embarrass Ross and put him under increasing stress in the hopes of triggering a public hulkout which will ruin him. In this, he succeeds, and Captain America is forced to try and stop the Red Hulk somehow without killing him. Cap eventually succeeds in calming him down, at which point he reverts to Ross and is promptly imprisoned in super-jail.
To be fair, Harrison Ford does, indeed, play the President, and he’s sorrowful for what happened. And Captain America is also sad.
Wow finally someone who actually watched the movie and paid attention, thank you for the comment!
I watched it but forgot most ofnit besides the part where even Sam is like "Why the fuck am I, a normal man, Captain America? Like Bucky here has super soldier shit AND a robot arm.
Second message to you, the other is re your Black Panther comment.
The funny thing is that, iirc, Bucky was deemed unsuitable to be Captain america due to the whole Soviet / Hydra assassin thing.
However, in Thunderbolts, it’s okay for him to be a member of Congress???
I mean, mayne he ran as a Republican.
Well, now I just feel silly.
Heh, that’s fair, I think everyone was asking that question, especially during the Red Hulk fight. Vibranium only goes so far as an explanation for superhuman feats, I think. Still there was more nuance in the story and moral goals of the movie than I noticed at the time, but it did end up feeling like kind of an empty bridge to the next MCU thing rather than its own story. Ah well, it still wasn’t the worst.
Sandman can serve as an introduction to Metamorpho. And I’m not sure why we need an explanation for Krypto; it’s a super dog - is that not enough?
Yeah, I don’t know shit about DC and I was fine not having any real background on anyone. Krypto especially.
After watching Supergirl though, I was annoyed.
I liked the plot, but it was too shallow and heavy handed. They could have spent a little more time on the writing. The bad guy was absolutely one dimensional and completely forgettable.
Also, so many deus ex machina macguffins. I guess you need to when you have a “Kryptonian” but they should have just kept her on a red planet and had her deal with everything without her super powers.
Then after she wins, have her get to a yellow sun and do super stuff for the fans. But the 72 hour poison, kryptonite darts, “Krem has the strength of a thousand men”, … that was just so lame.
Where is their production money going because it’s clearly not being spent on writing?
Tap for spoiler
At least she killed someone. So tired of homicidal maniacs being “brought in for justice.”
I’ve not seen the movie yet, but the comic it is based on is absolutely phenomenal and structured as a sort of myth telling exercise examining personal grief and effectively godhood. The villains are supposed to be one dimensional and incidental to Supergirl’s story.
Watch Black Panther for the soundtrack alone even, and maybe that Busan car chase.
Here’s my beef with Black Panther. They used every stale trope from every other Marvel movie in the script. Hero fights his evil version [Ant Man and Iron Man] Hero fights a member of his family [every Thor movie] Hero is presumed dead [Winter Soldier]
Klaw would have been a much better baddie than Killmonger.
Just had to air that grievance
Klaw was such a goofy weirdo too, he wouod have been fun as a main villain for sure. Not sure he could pass as T’Challa’s long lost cousin though.
In the comics, Klaw took on the Fantastic Four and the Panther.