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Since your first post, I’ve been challenging you to justify your thought-terminating cliches, but instead all you do is string together insults like
it really is like discussing vaccines with an antivaxxer.
and slightly less overt ones. You should retract all the personal attacks or at least retract your insincere “apology.”
And for your vague sourceless claims about “experts” need to actually provide sources. Tell me the cult leader Eliezer Yudkowsky isn’t one of your favored “experts.”
I don’t understand the question. Yudkowsky’s book is on my reading list, but judging by the title, I assumed it to be more on the side of restricting AI research, which best aligns with what I think (but suspiciously you refuse to clarify) your stance is.
When I said “the experts” I meant all the people working on AI at these frontier AI companies. You know, the experts?
I disagree with Yudkowsky in pretty much every way possible, and don’t know how you could conclude I agree with him if you saw anything else I posted in this thread. He’s like you, he believes AI is inevitable and wants it to be good too.
When I said “the experts” I meant all the people working on AI at these frontier AI companies
Interesting how you conflate “expert” with “employee” when determining who you trust. Do you see any conflict of interest here?
And I asked you earlier about why these “experts” never sound the alarm about the environmental or mental harms of AI. I wonder why that is… Do you think it hurts their bottom line?
-“AI” isn’t inevitable
-people who claim otherwise are mostly doing marketing for products in which they’re invested
-experts on “AI” should include more than those employed by the companies trying to make a profit off it
Yudkowsky was not a non sequitur; you were asked which experts you consult, you then refused to name any, so your interlocutor tried speculating about who might qualify for you.
Now I’m interested in how you conflate “expert” with “employee” when determining who you trust. Do you see any conflict of interest here?
And I asked you earlier about why these “experts” never sound the alarm about the environmental or mental harms of AI. I wonder why that is… Do you think it hurts their bottom line?
Now I’m interested in how you conflate “expert” with “employee” when determining who you trust. Do you see any conflict of interest here?
And I asked you earlier about why these “experts” never sound the alarm about the environmental or mental harms of AI. I wonder why that is… Do you think it hurts their bottom line?
Since your first post, I’ve been challenging you to justify your thought-terminating cliches, but instead all you do is string together insults like
and slightly less overt ones. You should retract all the personal attacks or at least retract your insincere “apology.”
And for your vague sourceless claims about “experts” need to actually provide sources. Tell me the cult leader Eliezer Yudkowsky isn’t one of your favored “experts.”
If you don’t like that comparison, I suggest you take a hard look at how you’ve approached this topic.
I will happily continue this discussion once I (and presumably you) understand what you’re actually arguing.
I don’t like your insincerity with the fake apology, and I don’t like the insincerity of refusing to back up your claims.
We can start with the simplest question, which I already asked: Do you consider Eliezer Yudkowsky to be one of your “experts”?
I don’t understand the question. Yudkowsky’s book is on my reading list, but judging by the title, I assumed it to be more on the side of restricting AI research, which best aligns with what I think (but suspiciously you refuse to clarify) your stance is.
When I said “the experts” I meant all the people working on AI at these frontier AI companies. You know, the experts?
I disagree with Yudkowsky in pretty much every way possible, and don’t know how you could conclude I agree with him if you saw anything else I posted in this thread. He’s like you, he believes AI is inevitable and wants it to be good too.
Interesting how you conflate “expert” with “employee” when determining who you trust. Do you see any conflict of interest here?
And I asked you earlier about why these “experts” never sound the alarm about the environmental or mental harms of AI. I wonder why that is… Do you think it hurts their bottom line?
I answered your non sequitur as a show of good faith. Your turn: what precisely is the stance you’re arguing here?
@joe seems pretty clear to me.
-“AI” isn’t inevitable
-people who claim otherwise are mostly doing marketing for products in which they’re invested
-experts on “AI” should include more than those employed by the companies trying to make a profit off it
Yudkowsky was not a non sequitur; you were asked which experts you consult, you then refused to name any, so your interlocutor tried speculating about who might qualify for you.
Hope this helps, Joe!
@XLE
That AI doomerism is AI marketing.
Now I’m interested in how you conflate “expert” with “employee” when determining who you trust. Do you see any conflict of interest here?
And I asked you earlier about why these “experts” never sound the alarm about the environmental or mental harms of AI. I wonder why that is… Do you think it hurts their bottom line?
Slow down, sir or ma’am. We’ll get to your questions, I promise.
What does “AI Doomerism” mean? I am not familiar with the term.
https://ondiscourse.com/ai-doomerism-is-a-business-tactic/
Now I’m interested in how you conflate “expert” with “employee” when determining who you trust. Do you see any conflict of interest here?
And I asked you earlier about why these “experts” never sound the alarm about the environmental or mental harms of AI. I wonder why that is… Do you think it hurts their bottom line?