We agree on this. Now, can you see why framing something that is not exclusive to trans people as “looking trans” is transphobic? Can you see how people would use things described as “looking trans”, even when they are in no way exclusive to trans people, purely because they were described that way? And how that can be problematic? Such as “transvestigators” (like TERFs) incorrectly identifying and targeting cis women with hatred.
You’re crossing wires a bit here. The first one doesn’t matter too much but it’s that I never actually said this person looks trans. Someone else did and I confirmed that it is a thing, although not necessarily in this particular case.
The main confusion seems to be that you don’t think trans people can have distinctive features brought on by surgery or hormone therapy. Some of them definitely do. There are other kinds of tells that apply to people who get other types of work done. MAGA face is one example. Different groups of people tend to get different types of work done and groups of similar people tend to have similar work done. It’s certainly not universal but it’s enough to notice a pattern with specific types of people. This applies to all groups of people who get work done, but it does present differently for each group.
It shouldn’t be controversial to say that surgery oftentimes leaves clues that it was performed or that lots of trans people have had surgery. Those are just two facts about the world that have nothing to do with any kind of moral judgement on trans people.
You’re either being intentionally obtuse or are actually just dumb. Either way I’ve spent more time explaining this simple concept to you than it should take so I’m done with this. Feel free to call me transphobic since that’s clearly the only answer you were ever going to accept
It was until it became clear that you either can’t or won’t comprehend the obvious fact that you can tell some people are trans. What your reasoning for that is doesn’t matter. I’m no longer interested in debating self evident statements with you.
The core topic of this conversation was our very disagreement about that assertion. You say you can tell (and that it’s obvious), and I say you cannot. Then we discussed the merits of each position. I thought that was clear much earlier on, so it seems strange to me that you’re only now realizing that we have that disagreement.
We agree on this. Now, can you see why framing something that is not exclusive to trans people as “looking trans” is transphobic? Can you see how people would use things described as “looking trans”, even when they are in no way exclusive to trans people, purely because they were described that way? And how that can be problematic? Such as “transvestigators” (like TERFs) incorrectly identifying and targeting cis women with hatred.
You’re crossing wires a bit here. The first one doesn’t matter too much but it’s that I never actually said this person looks trans. Someone else did and I confirmed that it is a thing, although not necessarily in this particular case.
The main confusion seems to be that you don’t think trans people can have distinctive features brought on by surgery or hormone therapy. Some of them definitely do. There are other kinds of tells that apply to people who get other types of work done. MAGA face is one example. Different groups of people tend to get different types of work done and groups of similar people tend to have similar work done. It’s certainly not universal but it’s enough to notice a pattern with specific types of people. This applies to all groups of people who get work done, but it does present differently for each group.
It shouldn’t be controversial to say that surgery oftentimes leaves clues that it was performed or that lots of trans people have had surgery. Those are just two facts about the world that have nothing to do with any kind of moral judgement on trans people.
Would you assert that the majority of people who have had cosmetic surgery are trans?
No
Then why would it be something that you would associate with “looking trans”?
You’re either being intentionally obtuse or are actually just dumb. Either way I’ve spent more time explaining this simple concept to you than it should take so I’m done with this. Feel free to call me transphobic since that’s clearly the only answer you were ever going to accept
Well, up until right now I thought we were having a conversation in good faith.
It was until it became clear that you either can’t or won’t comprehend the obvious fact that you can tell some people are trans. What your reasoning for that is doesn’t matter. I’m no longer interested in debating self evident statements with you.
The core topic of this conversation was our very disagreement about that assertion. You say you can tell (and that it’s obvious), and I say you cannot. Then we discussed the merits of each position. I thought that was clear much earlier on, so it seems strange to me that you’re only now realizing that we have that disagreement.