Is there anything to save in Israel ? I hear there’s a left, but what are they doing ? are they such a very small minority, is the media so bought-out that we seldom hear about them ?
Perhaps if they didn’t have had neighboring enemies that unambiguously want to destroy Israel for about 80 years straight, they wouldn’t have to be that way.
It’s obviously a reasonable question to ask: why the fuck did you put your country in middle of several hornet nests like that? What does it matter that some ancestors of yours lived there 3000 years ago? Some religious bullshit probably.
Please, we have to analyze things more nuancely than that. A virtuous, respectful human world is something that needs to be maintained, it’s not ever going to be a given- but even if it seems impossible at times shouldn’t be enough to deter us.
I didn’t want to suggest than the whole of human society was a lost cause, or even Israel. I was wondering what proportion of their population the left makes up.
My only hope is that I can at least start something with a local community centered around helping people achieve self-sufficiency. The idea is that people are kind of inherently well, abusive, and exploitative of each other, and making them self-sufficient would solve most of the issue and render work redundant eventually.
It would also conveniently put the abusive/exploitative kind of people in an inconvenient position, as they depend on you not having food, clothing, medicine in order to exploit you, force you to behave in whatever sick way they require of you.
You can’t exploit yourself, and you can pick people who you get along with to hang out with, once there is no material incentive in the way.
This can quietly depower entire governments if it goes far enough (it won’t, but whatever), would leave the most rich and powerful much poorer, would improve the behavior of people in general, if they could feel comfortable being unemployed, and tell an unreasonable employer to sod off. The rat race does dehumanize people, and turn them into monsters.
I agree. I think the most in your face example of this is blackmailing US citizens into signing for the army so they can get access to basic freedoms. With UBI and healthcare, the scheme would absolutely crumble
Humans aren’t naturally evil, but they can be easily exploited and manipulated in service of their egos.
There’s a community of bonobo monkeys that has a society of matriarchs and they have a largely non-violent and commual society where violent males are dealt with and exiled. That’s the issue, the violent males in society need to be exiled and deplatformed. None of this manosphere shit. At the end of the day, we’re all just primates.
Is there anything to save in Israel ? I hear there’s a left, but what are they doing ? are they such a very small minority, is the media so bought-out that we seldom hear about them ?
Perhaps if they didn’t have had neighboring enemies that unambiguously want to destroy Israel for about 80 years straight, they wouldn’t have to be that way.
It’s obviously a reasonable question to ask: why the fuck did you put your country in middle of several hornet nests like that? What does it matter that some ancestors of yours lived there 3000 years ago? Some religious bullshit probably.
But god said it was fine!
Humans are just that naturaly evil, if a whole nation can fall, then it’s time to look into if the voluntary extinction movement had a point.
Please, we have to analyze things more nuancely than that. A virtuous, respectful human world is something that needs to be maintained, it’s not ever going to be a given- but even if it seems impossible at times shouldn’t be enough to deter us.
I didn’t want to suggest than the whole of human society was a lost cause, or even Israel. I was wondering what proportion of their population the left makes up.
My only hope is that I can at least start something with a local community centered around helping people achieve self-sufficiency. The idea is that people are kind of inherently well, abusive, and exploitative of each other, and making them self-sufficient would solve most of the issue and render work redundant eventually.
It would also conveniently put the abusive/exploitative kind of people in an inconvenient position, as they depend on you not having food, clothing, medicine in order to exploit you, force you to behave in whatever sick way they require of you.
You can’t exploit yourself, and you can pick people who you get along with to hang out with, once there is no material incentive in the way.
This can quietly depower entire governments if it goes far enough (it won’t, but whatever), would leave the most rich and powerful much poorer, would improve the behavior of people in general, if they could feel comfortable being unemployed, and tell an unreasonable employer to sod off. The rat race does dehumanize people, and turn them into monsters.
That is basically the thesis and goal.
I agree. I think the most in your face example of this is blackmailing US citizens into signing for the army so they can get access to basic freedoms. With UBI and healthcare, the scheme would absolutely crumble
Humans aren’t naturally evil, but they can be easily exploited and manipulated in service of their egos.
There’s a community of bonobo monkeys that has a society of matriarchs and they have a largely non-violent and commual society where violent males are dealt with and exiled. That’s the issue, the violent males in society need to be exiled and deplatformed. None of this manosphere shit. At the end of the day, we’re all just primates.
https://drctourism.com/travel-blog/matriarchal-bonobo-society