The civil rights movement was absolutely a combination of voting and direct action
The HIGHEST black voter turn out in any state during the civil rights movement was around 25% with most states below 10%. Voting did literally nothing. Besides, if you know your history, Nixon was just as motivated to make concessions to the civil rights movement as LBJ was. And remember, why LBJ was giving ground to the civil rights movement, he was ordering the murder of civilians on the other side of the world.
You don’t seem to understand, we’re not supporting the Democrats, we’re choosing the slower form of rot to minimize the damage caused while we actually organize direct action
Yeah, I understand your message. I just disagree that it has a basis in reality. Democrats do not slow the rot. Again, it was Clinton that setup the global financial crisis of 2008 and it was Obama that bailed out the corporations and left the average American to rot. Again, Clinton passed the Crime Bill that Biden championed, vastly increasing and accelerating the rot. Obama empowered DHS/ICE to deployed into American cities for enforcement, increasing the rot, and then proceeded to deport 3M people, increasing the rot. Biden/Harris deported over 4M, again increasing the rot. You are not operating in reality.
I am doing my part, you know nothing about my own direct action
Is it mobilizing voters? You seem to have no problem with talking about electoralism but not a word for direct action? Doubt.
voting still helps nudge things so that direct action is more effective
No. It doesn’t. And it never has. There’s no evidence of this in any of American electoral politics.
Doing both is better by far than giving lip service to the revolution which had been coming for over a century now, which we’re clearly no closer to actually implementing.
So how’s that direct action thing working out for you? Like I said, let everyone vote the way they’re going to vote. Again, most people are probably equally or better informed than you and they can figure out how to vote without you wasting your time telling people about the virtues of lesser evil voting, like we can’t figure it out. You don’t need to know how I vote. You can just shut up and talk about the things that will actually make a difference.
You are blind if you can’t see the extra Republican machines. This administration alone is ample evidence. Democrats didn’t have ICE executing people in the streets.
ICE executing people in the streets is fundamentally just police executing people in the streets. And yes, Democrats have police executing people in the streets all the fucking time. The fact that it’s this particular agency is, again, a creation of the Obama administration. Without Obama accelerating the fascism in this particular agency, Trump wouldn’t be able to use them this way. Literally. Voting for Obama created these conditions.
That’s why electoralism will never change anything. You need to give up on it. Everyone needs to just hold their own relationship to the vote and not waste any more than the few hours a year that it takes. Focus on actually saving lives, focus on educating people, not about how they need to vote, but about why voting won’t save them and why they need to do something else if they want change.
The HIGHEST black voter turn out in any state during the civil rights movement was around 25% with most states below 10%. Voting did literally nothing. Besides, if you know your history, Nixon was just as motivated to make concessions to the civil rights movement as LBJ was. And remember, why LBJ was giving ground to the civil rights movement, he was ordering the murder of civilians on the other side of the world.
Yeah, I understand your message. I just disagree that it has a basis in reality. Democrats do not slow the rot. Again, it was Clinton that setup the global financial crisis of 2008 and it was Obama that bailed out the corporations and left the average American to rot. Again, Clinton passed the Crime Bill that Biden championed, vastly increasing and accelerating the rot. Obama empowered DHS/ICE to deployed into American cities for enforcement, increasing the rot, and then proceeded to deport 3M people, increasing the rot. Biden/Harris deported over 4M, again increasing the rot. You are not operating in reality.
Is it mobilizing voters? You seem to have no problem with talking about electoralism but not a word for direct action? Doubt.
No. It doesn’t. And it never has. There’s no evidence of this in any of American electoral politics.
So how’s that direct action thing working out for you? Like I said, let everyone vote the way they’re going to vote. Again, most people are probably equally or better informed than you and they can figure out how to vote without you wasting your time telling people about the virtues of lesser evil voting, like we can’t figure it out. You don’t need to know how I vote. You can just shut up and talk about the things that will actually make a difference.
ICE executing people in the streets is fundamentally just police executing people in the streets. And yes, Democrats have police executing people in the streets all the fucking time. The fact that it’s this particular agency is, again, a creation of the Obama administration. Without Obama accelerating the fascism in this particular agency, Trump wouldn’t be able to use them this way. Literally. Voting for Obama created these conditions.
That’s why electoralism will never change anything. You need to give up on it. Everyone needs to just hold their own relationship to the vote and not waste any more than the few hours a year that it takes. Focus on actually saving lives, focus on educating people, not about how they need to vote, but about why voting won’t save them and why they need to do something else if they want change.