It is darkly hilarious russians can still enter the EU for tourism.
Why? Is Russia at war with Europe? Are russian tourists responsible for the russian invasion of Ukraine?
Hybrid warfare, and it’s at least partly those posing as tourists who are engaged in the action.
“Hybrid warfare” is a propaganda term used to escalate the population’s fear of war, resulting in higher preparedness.
Most “terrorist” attacks are quickly pinned on Russia without any proper proof. And everytime Russia is mentioned as an aggressor (without actually having a motive to attack/get info/…), it solidifys the population’s image of Putin who wants to annex Europe.
Sometimes the term “soviet union” is uttered. But anyone comparing Putin to anything socialist is a fool - be it liberal or tankie.
The biggest (eco-terrorist) attack on Germany since 2022 was done by Ukrainians. Not Russians.
Is Russia at war with Europe?
Explicitly, yes, and Europe is kicking russia’s ass in it when the rightwing isn’t sabotaging resistance to russia.
Are russian tourists responsible for the russian invasion of Ukraine?
Yes, at least partially.
Russia is a nation of cowards too afraid to stand up for their freedom, which always leads to violence and war.
I see the same rhetoric about Russians as Americans, “too coward to stand up” to their government. And it’s always from neckbeards that never have, and certainly never will stand up to their own govt. Have some sympathy and understanding for your fellow human, it’s not like there ARENT movements in these countries going against what their evil governments are doing. When is the last time you stood up to ur Canadian government for taking indigenous lands and selling it out under them to corporations for profit? How their disproportionately jailing natives in Canada? How they are disproportionately victims of violent hate crimes? How despite being water rich they can ot guarantee natives access to drinkable water? That’s just one topic, we can find some shitty shit just about any country has done so maybe worry about yours before shitting on everybody else. And before u open ur mouth to put somebody else down always ask yourself if your trying to make things better or put somebody else down, as that’s more a reflection of your character than anything else.
Have some sympathy and understanding for your fellow human
Don’t tell me I have to have sympathy for a country attempting to conquer another and conducting genocide while doing it, I see all humans as humans but don’t waste my time waxing lyrical about how I should empathize with the poor plight of the average russian.
By the way I do hold people in the US accountable including myself, but the US has a culture of standing up to authority unlike russia where people are taught to believe they are politically helpless.
Explicitly, yes
Ok. No point in arguing with someone that delusional.
Russia is a nation of cowards too afraid to stand up for their freedom, which always leads to violence and war.
… and obviopsly racist.
Is Ukraine not in Europe?
It’s culturallyeabout as European as Russia is. But before 2022, westerners usually didn’t consider Ukraine as “European”. That framing happened afterwards.
Also, the original statement implied that Russia is supposedly at war with the EU.
Oh come on, lets not be pedantic, do you honestly think russia isn’t at war with the EU? Even if you define the terms and framing so it technically isn’t we are talking about splitting hairs at this point in a way that is completely unproductive to a broader discussion.
Insofar as russia is not at war with the EU it is because russia is incapable of taking on more than a single country or two at a time… not because russia’s aims are inherently localized to whatever nation it is attacking currently.
Believe me: As a citizen of the EU, I would fucking notice if the EU was at war with Russia.
The biggest attack on German infrastructure (for example) that happened since 2022 was actually carried out by Ukrainians (i.e. the Nord Stream explosion).
No, the helplessness of russians is learned, russians are the same human species as me, the difference is I wasn’t raised to have a learned helplessness about politics.
What is it? Are they “cowards” or “raised to have a learned helplessness”?
Either way: You’re spouting racist bullshit. The EU is not at war with Europe and russian civillians don’t really have a say in the invasion.
What is it? Are they “cowards” or “raised to have a learned helplessness”?
Yes
russian civillians don’t really have a say in the invasion.
bullshit bullshit bullshit
Dictatorships are nothing new, that never fully excuses a populace, it gives important and necessary context yes but it does not absolve responsibility.
As I said: no use in arguing with someone delusional.
russian civillians don’t really have a say in the invasion
Who invades ukraine?
Do you think wars happen, because the soldiers like to murder?
So easy to stand up against the Russia government, they must be real cowards for not wanting to be locked away forever, right?
I am also only an internet person, but i fully understand people not wanting to throw their life away. Even if they don’t agree, if there is no organised movement you can hardly blame individuals. If you do that, we all in the west are at fault for what happens in palestine. Well…i guess we are, for all the governments supporting israel. So how can we condemn russian citizens for crimes of their leaders? (Citizens, not soldiers).
Instead hate on the people responsible, the Putins, the Trumps and Musks in this world. Hating on civilians is only divide and “those up there” are the only ones profiting.
Edit: to clarify, i do not condone the russian armies invasion and i wish they would fucking stop yesterday, but i don’t blame civilians for this and applaud everyone of them who does risk their life fighting the government
if there is no organised movement you can hardly blame individuals.
I would not so confidently presume…
quick question: what happens to the opposition and protesters in russia when they get too influential?
quick question: is this a unique problem for russians no other nation has faced or does russian culture just enforce a unique character of learned helplessness in its citizens?
no. russia isn’t the only country in the world that violently oppresses its population making it impossible to influence the government’s decisions. what a stupid question
edit: also to the second part that i initially ignored cus it was so stupid, how do you think the soviet union came to existence? do you think the country just peacefully decided to vote the czar out in favor of communism or something lol
no. russia isn’t the only country in the world that violently oppresses its population making it impossible to influence the government’s decisions.
Which is precisely why you can’t pull the “Average russians don’t have a say in the matter, russia is a dictatorship!” card every time someone brings up the complicity of average russians in the Ukraine War.
Also, they are going on fucking vacation, not seeking asylum, are you serious? Do you think your arguments actually sound logical and intelligent?
Which is precisely why you can’t pull the “Average russians don’t have a say in the matter, russia is a dictatorship!” card every time someone brings up the complicity of average russians in the Ukraine War.
Also, they are going on fucking vacation, not seeking asylum, are you serious? Do you think your arguments actually sound logical and intelligent?
yes, getting asylum is as easy as walking in a country and saying “russia bad, asylum pls”. no lengthy proof of prosecution needed.
in fact, when it’s that easy, it’s so weird that there aren’t more russians flooding into the west. huh, strange!
it’s also very easy to leave your home country and familiar culture to a foreign land. very easy to integrate, get degrees verified and get fluent in a language to get employed. i’m sure you’ve moved abroad and learned another language to the point of fluency since you make it seem so easy. :)
edit: also, you can’t claim asylum without entering the country except for very few cases, genius. they need those visas to claim asylum
Deluded Russian or Russia supporter spotted.
Sure. Not being a fan of Sippenhaft makes me a supporter or even worse: a Russian. /s
Deluded Russian or Russia supporter spotted.
Sure. Not being a fan of Sippenhaft makes me a supporter or even worse: a Russian. /s
Good. Why are they allowed into the EU anyway?
To flee the terrorist dictatorship and give their workforce/money to the EU? People who are leaving the oppresive state deserve a chance for better life. Don’t give an equal between the people and the state/government, please.
To flee the terrorist dictatorship and give their workforce/money to the EU?
On a tourist visa ? I don’t think so.
You can’t legally work on a tourist visa, and if you’re only here for a holiday you’re hardly fleeing the Putain dictatorship are you ? Just taking a pleasant break from it.
I’ve met these “Russian refugees” you speak of. They just don’t want to fight the war, but they whole-heartedly support it. They come over completely brainwashed talking about how “the West is too LGBT and DEI”, unable to see what that propaganda did to their country. If Pootin wasn’t president there, they’d be praying to some other shitty God who tells them how the West is the enemy.
Russians shouldn’t get VISAs, they should be classified as refugees and put into refugee camps where they learn the local language and have to learn what democracy is.
While you’re at it, at least stop visa-free travel for israelis and US americans. Seems like a much bigger long-term threat.
They would never, because it’s perfectly fine when their allies invade and genocide.
They have to uphold the “western
supremacyvalues” somehow.P.S. Putin is a war criminal and deserves horrible death. Calling out western hypocrisy doesn’t mean I support an authoritarian parasite, feeding his own citizens to the meat grinder.
P.S. Putin is a war criminal and deserves horrible death. Calling out western hypocrisy doesn’t mean I support an authoritarian parasite, feeding his own citizens to the meat grinder.
Fully agreed. In fact I protested putin’s regime when I was living in russia and had to flee because of that when the war started.
all human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. no one deserves a horrible death. the hangings in Nürnberg were okay. (by which i don’t want to imply that the russian crimes are anywhere near the germans’ league.)
Israel? America? On a thread about Russia?
My friend your brain is cooked. Either that or you’re working for them.
The thread is less about Russia and more about EU immigration policy.
Israel and US has been repeatedly shown to constantly spy on european elected officials and citizenry, and be a significant threat to child safety. Both are currently committing genocide of much greater proportions than what russia is doing in Ukraine.
It doesn’t make sense to allow them to travel visa-free, with virtually no checks except matching the passport to its holder at the border, while banning russians to enter even after quite rigorous checks of the Schengen visa application process.
Germany to EU: We can’t stand it. We know they planned it
