quick question: is this a unique problem for russians no other nation has faced or does russian culture just enforce a unique character of learned helplessness in its citizens?
no. russia isn’t the only country in the world that violently oppresses its population making it impossible to influence the government’s decisions. what a stupid question
edit: also to the second part that i initially ignored cus it was so stupid, how do you think the soviet union came to existence? do you think the country just peacefully decided to vote the czar out in favor of communism or something lol
no. russia isn’t the only country in the world that violently oppresses its population making it impossible to influence the government’s decisions.
Which is precisely why you can’t pull the “Average russians don’t have a say in the matter, russia is a dictatorship!” card every time someone brings up the complicity of average russians in the Ukraine War.
Also, they are going on fucking vacation, not seeking asylum, are you serious? Do you think your arguments actually sound logical and intelligent?
Which is precisely why you can’t pull the “Average russians don’t have a say in the matter, russia is a dictatorship!” card every time someone brings up the complicity of average russians in the Ukraine War.
Also, they are going on fucking vacation, not seeking asylum, are you serious? Do you think your arguments actually sound logical and intelligent?
yes, getting asylum is as easy as walking in a country and saying “russia bad, asylum pls”. no lengthy proof of prosecution needed.
in fact, when it’s that easy, it’s so weird that there aren’t more russians flooding into the west. huh, strange!
it’s also very easy to leave your home country and familiar culture to a foreign land. very easy to integrate, get degrees verified and get fluent in a language to get employed. i’m sure you’ve moved abroad and learned another language to the point of fluency since you make it seem so easy. :)
edit: also, you can’t claim asylum without entering the country except for very few cases, genius. they need those visas to claim asylum
During the Russo-Ukrainian war (2022–present) since February 2022, more than 300,000 Russian citizens and residents are estimated to have left Russia by mid-March 2022, at least 500,000 by the end of August 2022,[not verified in body] and an additional 400,000[1] by early October, for a total of approximately 900,000. This number includes economic migrants, conscientious objectors, and some political refugees.
More than 113,000 Russians left their country last week via the so-called Upper Lars checkpoint — a spike in movement that reflects growing fears that the Kremlin is poised to announce a new mobilization effort.
In recent months, Russian authorities have adopted increasingly aggressive recruitment measures, ramped up data collection on reservists, and expanded the National Guard’s remit, all fueling talk of another call.
The fifth wave of Russian emigration (also Putin’s emigration, sometimes “Putin’s exodus”) is emigration from Russia during the rule of Vladimir Putin. Researchers count the fifth wave either from the 2000s, when the composition of emigrants changed qualitatively and educated, promising people began to leave Russia; or from the mass protests of the early 2010s, Putin’s return to the presidency and the establishment of a repressive authoritarian regime. In 2022, after the invasion of Ukraine and mobilization Russia went through two peaks of emigration, which became the largest in the modern history of the country. As of 2020, according to the UN, in terms of the number of emigrants in absolute numbers, Russia ranks 3rd in the world (10.65 million people or 6.8% of the population) after India (17.79 million people or 1.3% of the population) and Mexico (11.07 million people or 7.9% of the population).[1]
Since the start of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022, Russia has experienced its largest wave of emigration since 1917. While estimates on the number of Russians who have fled wartime Russia vary widely, most sources estimate the number to be anywhere between 500,000 and 1,000,000. The majority of wartime émigrés have fled to nearby destination countries including but not limited to Georgia, Kazakhstan, Turkey and Uzbekistan, while a smaller number have gone further, relocating to countries in the EU, Southeast Asia and Latin America. Broadly speaking, the émigrés are younger and more prosperous than the average Russian citizen, have higher levels of education, and are driven more so by political push factors than members of previous waves. Many of the recent émigrés were engaged in political activism against the regime before emigrating; some worked as journalists, NGO employees, academics and activists, while others were dissidents of the regime at large.
Human capital is fleeing Russia. Since President Vladimir Putin’s ascent to the presidency, between 1.6 and 2 million Russians – out of a total population of 145 million – have left for Western democracies. This emigration sped up with Putin’s return as president in 2012, followed by a weakening economy and growing repressions. It soon began to look like a politically driven brain drain, causing increasing concern among Russian and international observers.
In this pioneering study, the Council’s Eurasia Center offers a comprehensive analysis of the Putin Exodus and its implications for Russia and the West. The study, which is authored by Ambassador John Herbst and Dr. Sergei Erofeev, examines the patterns and drivers of Russian emigration to the West since 2000 based on the findings from focused interviews and surveys with new Russian émigrés in four key cities in the United States and Europe.
The majority of wartime émigrés have fled to nearby destination countries including but not limited to Georgia, Kazakhstan, Turkey and Uzbekistan,
lmao you didn’t even read your own copy pastes. almost all of these people moved to non-western countries where they speak russian and have favourable visa policies to russians.
only 12,655 russians applied for asylum in 2025, out of 146 million russians
Yes because the average russian is ultimately fine with the Ukrainian War until it directly affects them at which point it is usually too late for them, thus the average russian is complicit in the Ukrainian War. You have proved my point over and over again.
yes, just walk in eu through the open border and say “asylum please”.
totally not at all the case that there’s constant news on european media that asylums are being denied left and right even for people that have been persecuted for their political opinions in russia. yes yes
Shame on you for strawmanning me by conflating a critique of russia with a defense of Europe’s immigration policies.
Most people applying for asylum in Europe do not come from countries that have been rolling columns of tanks into a democratic nation on the cultural verge of Europe (literally, Ukraine desires to join the EU), to the point that many countries of Europe have provided large quantities of weapons and supplies to help resist the constant stream of russian tanks and infantry physically invading Ukraine and attempting to take territory.
quick question: is this a unique problem for russians no other nation has faced or does russian culture just enforce a unique character of learned helplessness in its citizens?
no. russia isn’t the only country in the world that violently oppresses its population making it impossible to influence the government’s decisions. what a stupid question
edit: also to the second part that i initially ignored cus it was so stupid, how do you think the soviet union came to existence? do you think the country just peacefully decided to vote the czar out in favor of communism or something lol
Which is precisely why you can’t pull the “Average russians don’t have a say in the matter, russia is a dictatorship!” card every time someone brings up the complicity of average russians in the Ukraine War.
Also, they are going on fucking vacation, not seeking asylum, are you serious? Do you think your arguments actually sound logical and intelligent?
yes, getting asylum is as easy as walking in a country and saying “russia bad, asylum pls”. no lengthy proof of prosecution needed.
in fact, when it’s that easy, it’s so weird that there aren’t more russians flooding into the west. huh, strange!
it’s also very easy to leave your home country and familiar culture to a foreign land. very easy to integrate, get degrees verified and get fluent in a language to get employed. i’m sure you’ve moved abroad and learned another language to the point of fluency since you make it seem so easy. :)
edit: also, you can’t claim asylum without entering the country except for very few cases, genius. they need those visas to claim asylum
facepalm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_emigration_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022–present)
https://www.politico.eu/article/russian-vladimir-putin-quietly-preparing-another-mobilization/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_wave_Russian_emigration
https://fsi.stanford.edu/publication/russian-emigration-patterns-during-russia-ukraine-war-interviews-wartime-emigres
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/event/the-putin-exodus-the-new-russian-brain-drain-2/
lmao you didn’t even read your own copy pastes. almost all of these people moved to non-western countries where they speak russian and have favourable visa policies to russians.
only 12,655 russians applied for asylum in 2025, out of 146 million russians
i’m just gonna ignore all of that cus your different copy pastes contradict eachother
Yes because the average russian is ultimately fine with the Ukrainian War until it directly affects them at which point it is usually too late for them, thus the average russian is complicit in the Ukrainian War. You have proved my point over and over again.
yes, just walk in eu through the open border and say “asylum please”.
totally not at all the case that there’s constant news on european media that asylums are being denied left and right even for people that have been persecuted for their political opinions in russia. yes yes
Shame on you for strawmanning me by conflating a critique of russia with a defense of Europe’s immigration policies.
Most people applying for asylum in Europe do not come from countries that have been rolling columns of tanks into a democratic nation on the cultural verge of Europe (literally, Ukraine desires to join the EU), to the point that many countries of Europe have provided large quantities of weapons and supplies to help resist the constant stream of russian tanks and infantry physically invading Ukraine and attempting to take territory.