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    13 days ago

    To get peace in Lebanon, Iran needs to shut down Hezbollah. They never took steps there either. So in that regard, Iran immediately broke #1 by your definition and that explains why things are how they are

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        12 days ago

        And Hezbollah top leaders said they want a islamic state in the place of Israel

        Maybe it would be better if they just leave eachother alone?

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          Hezbollah want to get back the Shaba farms and want Israel to end the colonization of Palestine , which is the international law position.

          You can say all that bullshit all you want. Hezbollah can’t destroy Israel but israel is currently doing it. Taking more land from Palestine, more land from Lebanon , taking more land from Syria, declared sovereignty in the Golan height which is illegal. How is that not doing greater Israel?

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            The international law position is a two state solution, which Hezbollah opposes.

            Claiming that Hezbollah should get the right to attack Israel indefinitely “because they can’t succeed at destroying them anyway” just means endless war and death. You should look at Egypt and Jordan about the alternative

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      Hezbollah agreed to stop fighting and they virtually kept their word for a month while Israel bombed Beirut every single day. We know who the real aggressors are, incapable of making a deal, and it’s the United States and their dog Israel.

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        Real agressors

        If Hezbollah hadn’t attacked Israel 3 years ago there wouldn’t even be a conflict in Lebanon today. All those people would have been alive. All those buildings would be standing

        But you seem to ‘know’ what’s the real issue and only pick out what reinforces it

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          I’m not interested in a “who started it” between genocidal colonists and Hezbollah. Hezbollah didn’t exist when Israel occupied Lebanon, it exists because it did, and it continues to have widespread suppory in Lebanon because Israel continues to be aggressive against all of its neighbors.

          What’s interesting is whether the war could have stopped or not. As you know by now, Hezbollah agreed to stop fighting and kept their word while being bombed, giving Israel ample opportunity to get to their senses, if they had any sense to get to.

          The point being that the USA did nothing to pressure Israel to stop bombing Lebanon, and hence thr MoU didn’t hold, since that was clause 1.

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            Why would you use the term “real aggressors” if you’re “not interested in who started it”???

            Hezbollah was created for two main reasons:

            To drive Israel out of Lebanon & To create a Shia heavyweight to influence Lebanon during and post civil war

            Israel invaded Lebanon to stop the PLO from attacking them and try to create a christian buffer state. Hezbollah drove Israel out and defeated the PLO. So goal #1 accomplished, no? Then why would they keep attacking Israel from within Lebanon?

            Goal #2, having Hezbollah dominate Lebanon politics as a proxy for Syria and Iran, has sure made the country into a paradise. Do you feel that made anything better?

            Can you explain how the baseline idea of Hezbollah being allowed to attack Israel, reaching a ceasefire, then rearming to attack Israel again will make anything better?

            So many dead

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                  They announced it directly after the MoU was signed (obviously they were prepared) and they kept their word for a month, while Israel was bombing Beirut every single day.

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                    11 days ago

                    Ah yes, so what you really meant to say was that they agreed to temporarily stop attacking Israel

                    Why would you leave that out?

                    Anyway, the US did strongarm Israel into making a deal to freeze the situation in Lebanon. But of course not the way Iran and Hezbollah wanted it to. They wanted to give Hezbollah an opportunity to regroup and rearm for the next attack on Israel

                    Here’s a pretty objective article on the matter (which includes an important second angle besides the matter in Lebanon that caused the division in the Iranian regime)