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    The system gets legitimacy from the 150 million people who vote. A tiny minority of leftists refusing to participate does not delegitimize the system one iota. As a cis hetero white man, honestly my vote either way doesn’t affect me all that much, other than maybe being thrown in jail for leftist organizing. But it also doesn’t really affect the status quo either. I vote to benefit the people who would suffer under one choice more than the other: people of color, women, the LGBTQ community, immigrants, etc.

    And yes, obviously we need to build an alternative where no one suffers, but that takes time. Personally, I prefer to at least attempt to minimize the suffering of others during that time. Accelerationism is sociopathy.

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      you’re either unwilling or unable to see that the things that the accelerationists want is the eventual outcome anyways because of the way the system is intentionally structured and history proves that nature will ensure that the commeuppance gets worse the longer we put off making a change.

      turning the election into a farce through a lack of cooperating they way they want you to is the easiest & laziest way for an american to help induce such a change, but it will not work if too many people are unable/unwilling to see past the parliamentary mind games that makes you think that you’re helping the people they’re holding ransom for your vote.

      I vote to benefit the people who would suffer under one choice more than the other: people of color, women, the LGBTQ community, immigrants, etc.

      as a neurospicy queer brown immigrant, i implore you to stop.

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        turning the election into a farce through a lack of cooperating they way they want you to is the easiest & laziest way for an american to help induce such a change, but it will not work if too many people are unable/unwilling to see past the parliamentary mind games that makes you think that you’re helping the people they’re holding ransom for your vote.

        Too many people are unable to see past the parliamentary mind games. If you can’t persuade a hundred million people, that strategy is pointless and ineffective. You can’t persuade a hundred million people, so this strategy is pointless and ineffective.

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      I vote to benefit the people who would suffer under one choice more than the other: people of color, women, the LGBTQ community, immigrants, etc.

      The people being Palestinians, got it.

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        No, they’re suffering either way. My heart, and some of my money, goes out to them. But their suffering is not dependent on my vote. If it was, I would vote that way. But it isn’t.

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          yeah you don’t care about genocide. They are suffering because of people like you.

          Fucking disgusting person

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            Ah yes, I have you tagged. You only care about the suffering when you can use it as a political cudgel. I remember you told me immigrant children suffering in America was justified because they have the privilege of living in the imperial core, and then justified it saying they would suffer either way.

            Your opinion could not possibly hold less value, especially on the topic of the suffering of others. Your performative outrage is disgusting, at least I actually send aid to Palestine.

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              I remember you told me immigrant children suffering in America was justified because they have the privilege of living in the imperial core, and then justified it saying they would suffer either way.

              I said it was not the responsibility for the people outside the imperial core to take care of your children. You would rather other children suffer to have yours not, instead of fixing the system that originates from your fucking country

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                  I did, it’s not my fault you’re a reactionary who refuses to read.

                  to try to redeem your horrible statements.

                  Your statements :

                  I vote to benefit the people who would suffer under one choice more than the other

                  Which is to vote for genocide because after all

                  they’re suffering either way.

                  you have already written them off and you want your treats, even if it means genocide. You don’t deserve shit.

                  you should be ashamed of yourself.

                  You should be in a gulag, not enjoying brunch by justifying genocide. You fucking monster.

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          Absolute spineless follower shit, you would 100% have done nothing to oppose slavery

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            Like most people in all of history we wouldn’t have opposed the normalized oppression of other people, yes this is a fact.

            But you are saying people during slavery were wrong for voting in favor of less slavery because it didn’t start with full human rights for slaves so they shouldn’t have voted at all.

            People aren’t spineless for believing in a different strategy and even if they where, you are not selling your point of view very well. The sucess of your strategy would mean conving enough people not to vote and just name calling is not doing much.

            There is the obvious Problem of all democracies and especially the US System but i don’t really see how more power to republicans will ever come close solving this.

            I am very open to all kinds of strategies but i have yet to see any kind of data that suggests even more fascism will lead to a better outcome.

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            I wouldn’t have done stupid counterproductive shit that just made things worse without any benefit.

            I think the “follower shit” comment betrays your bitterness at not actually having any followers. You’re never going to get your revolution if 99.999% of the population is too “spineless” to caucus with. If you can’t find common ground with other leftists who are already sold on communism because they disagree with your strategy, how in the absolute fuck are you expecting to persuade the liberal working class?