A decade ago I watched Lawrence Fishburne play Jack Crawford in Hannibal, and it didn’t bother me that Lawrence Fishburne was not white because I had no frame of reference.
Later I found out he was supposed to be based off a real FBI profiler who was white, and was depicted by white actors in the standalone films.
It still didn’t bother me. I think some of the reason was because Lawrence Fishburne’s version of Jack Crawford was my entry point, and he killed it in that role.
But most of the reason was because it didn’t feel forced. He didn’t feel like he NEEDED to be black, he just was.
The same cannot be said of other roles. I don’t care if Ariel is black, because I don’t give a shit about movies for little girls, but the fact that Disney deliberately makes these choices, knowing it will piss people off, is what pisses me off.
The dumbest choice yet was giving Snow White to someone who doesn’t look like porcelain doll. They knew what they were doing, and it feels so forced.
Disney deliberately makes these choices, knowing it will piss people off,
Do you really think that Disney was focused on what lonely white men think while casting these actresses for princess movies?
Because that makes you sound like someone who is so used to being the default demographic for everything that maybe you have trouble processing the idea that this specific thing just isn’t about you.
It’s about making movies for little girls. It’s also about representation.
Do you actually think Disney are pushing diversity for the sake of social justice? They don’t give a shit about representation if it doesn’t make them money.
So doing it again in spite of the negative reaction is what it looks like when they care?
Yes, the ensuing culture war puts Disney at the centre of attention.
What do you suppose it would look like if they didn’t care what lonely white men think?
I think they’d cast a pasty white girl as Snow White.
So you’re describing a conspiracy theory where you think Disney is the architect of this culture war bullshit because it’s free advertising for their live action remakes.
That doesn’t hold up to even a little bit of scrutiny.
Diverse casting in a remake was a thing for decades before the current culture war situation. Disney cast Brandy as Cinderella in 1997 to absolutely no backlash.
The racist backlash doesn’t actually provide any financial benefit for Disney. In fact there’s a significant cost to it, because Chinese audiences won’t see a movie with a Black lead.
So if you’re being sincere here you should reconsider your stance. Unless there’s some other reason you might want to take that side.
That doesn’t hold up to even a little bit of scrutiny.
1997 Cinderella was a TV movie, it’s in a different league and the whole cast is mostly* black. It’s a black film for black people.
In fact there’s a significant cost to it
It’s free advertising. Cost benefit analysis. Little Mermaid was profitable, and Snow White wasn’t, though there may be other reasons people were annoyed about this one (Gal Gadot, and dwarfs).
if you’re being sincere here you should reconsider your stance
Oh fuck off. I know what I’m saying. Go feed my messages into another LLM and have it spit out a list of facts you can regurgitate.
So if you’re being sincere here you should reconsider your stance. Unless there’s some other reason you might want to take that side.
You accuse me of being dismissive after you assert that I don’t understand the implications of what I’m saying? The irony lol.
The only other way that you can make sense of what I’m saying is that I’m not arguing in good faith, or that I’m a closet racist, after saying:
I love Laurence Fishburne’s depiction of a historically white character
I like diversity and we should have more of it
I like Moana
I haven’t dismissed anything, and I’m willing to go to the mat with you because I’m convinced I’m right. Let’s keep going.
I’m going to assume you believe the following: Disney understands that casting non-white actors as white characters (based on prior depictions) is going to be controversial.
Therefore, producing a movie with that knowledge in mind is an explicit choice, yes or no?
A decade ago I watched Lawrence Fishburne play Jack Crawford in Hannibal, and it didn’t bother me that Lawrence Fishburne was not white because I had no frame of reference.
Later I found out he was supposed to be based off a real FBI profiler who was white, and was depicted by white actors in the standalone films.
It still didn’t bother me. I think some of the reason was because Lawrence Fishburne’s version of Jack Crawford was my entry point, and he killed it in that role.
But most of the reason was because it didn’t feel forced. He didn’t feel like he NEEDED to be black, he just was.
The same cannot be said of other roles. I don’t care if Ariel is black, because I don’t give a shit about movies for little girls, but the fact that Disney deliberately makes these choices, knowing it will piss people off, is what pisses me off.
The dumbest choice yet was giving Snow White to someone who doesn’t look like porcelain doll. They knew what they were doing, and it feels so forced.
Do you really think that Disney was focused on what lonely white men think while casting these actresses for princess movies?
Because that makes you sound like someone who is so used to being the default demographic for everything that maybe you have trouble processing the idea that this specific thing just isn’t about you.
Yes Socko, I do think Disney was thinking about it, because they saw the backlash and they kept doing it.
What is it about? (Warning, this is bait, I KNOW what it’s “about”)
It’s about making movies for little girls. It’s also about representation.
So doing it again in spite of the negative reaction is what it looks like when they care?
What do you suppose it would look like if they didn’t care what lonely white men think? They’d react directly to their desires and not do it again?
Does that really make sense?
Do you actually think Disney are pushing diversity for the sake of social justice? They don’t give a shit about representation if it doesn’t make them money.
Yes, the ensuing culture war puts Disney at the centre of attention.
I think they’d cast a pasty white girl as Snow White.
Not at all.
So you’re describing a conspiracy theory where you think Disney is the architect of this culture war bullshit because it’s free advertising for their live action remakes.
That doesn’t hold up to even a little bit of scrutiny.
Diverse casting in a remake was a thing for decades before the current culture war situation. Disney cast Brandy as Cinderella in 1997 to absolutely no backlash.
The racist backlash doesn’t actually provide any financial benefit for Disney. In fact there’s a significant cost to it, because Chinese audiences won’t see a movie with a Black lead.
So if you’re being sincere here you should reconsider your stance. Unless there’s some other reason you might want to take that side.
Yes.
1997 Cinderella was a TV movie, it’s in a different league and the
wholecast is mostly* black. It’s a black film for black people.It’s free advertising. Cost benefit analysis. Little Mermaid was profitable, and Snow White wasn’t, though there may be other reasons people were annoyed about this one (Gal Gadot, and dwarfs).
Oh fuck off. I know what I’m saying. Go feed my messages into another LLM and have it spit out a list of facts you can regurgitate.
No sock puppets here and no LLMs. You’re being dismissive because you don’t have a real point.
You accuse me of being dismissive after you assert that I don’t understand the implications of what I’m saying? The irony lol.
The only other way that you can make sense of what I’m saying is that I’m not arguing in good faith, or that I’m a closet racist, after saying:
I haven’t dismissed anything, and I’m willing to go to the mat with you because I’m convinced I’m right. Let’s keep going.
I’m going to assume you believe the following: Disney understands that casting non-white actors as white characters (based on prior depictions) is going to be controversial.
Therefore, producing a movie with that knowledge in mind is an explicit choice, yes or no?
Casting Genocide Barbie as the queen was dumber