the first sentence is a quote from the image. the rest is my response. democratic socialism is idealist by nature, which is the exact opposite of materialist. you cannot have an idealist ideology as your base but claim to have a materialist analysis. they are incompatible and will not arrive at the proper political analysis.
I’ll be honest, I still don’t understand what your critique is.
I haven’t read this book, but fwiw I’ve heard Klein and Taylor discuss it on The Fire These Times and Know Your Enemy and found their ideas thoughtful and useful.
i think i explained it pretty clearly, but ok. i guess in even simpler terms the issue is that they are a reactionary right wing ideology disguised as leftism. you can see from the recent betrayal by mamdani that democratic socialism can’t achieve anything at all. it’s essentially a zionist movement created with the purpose of coopting anti zionist movement into doing nothing at all.
Is your gripe with “Democratic Socialism” as a concept? Because these authors were interviewed by the DSA? If so, that seems silly. I don’t even know what political theory each of them identifies with.
Have you considered assessing the ideas presented by Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor on their merits?
i’m sure i will find some of their ideas interesting and i will learn things, too. the same has happened to me while reading numerous western imperialists, foucault is a very interesting read, albeit one that reeks of the ideals of european settlers. the same is true of most writers. in fact, i dare say i have read more people i disagree that those i agree with, because that is the material reality of our world.
my point is not that, but rather than beyond this facade of little interesting ideas lies the ugly face of fascism. i cannot take, i cannot truly recommend, and even so much more less if they are interpolated by the DSA.
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
the first sentence is a quote from the image. the rest is my response. democratic socialism is idealist by nature, which is the exact opposite of materialist. you cannot have an idealist ideology as your base but claim to have a materialist analysis. they are incompatible and will not arrive at the proper political analysis.
I’ll be honest, I still don’t understand what your critique is.
I haven’t read this book, but fwiw I’ve heard Klein and Taylor discuss it on The Fire These Times and Know Your Enemy and found their ideas thoughtful and useful.
i think i explained it pretty clearly, but ok. i guess in even simpler terms the issue is that they are a reactionary right wing ideology disguised as leftism. you can see from the recent betrayal by mamdani that democratic socialism can’t achieve anything at all. it’s essentially a zionist movement created with the purpose of coopting anti zionist movement into doing nothing at all.
Is your gripe with “Democratic Socialism” as a concept? Because these authors were interviewed by the DSA? If so, that seems silly. I don’t even know what political theory each of them identifies with.
Have you considered assessing the ideas presented by Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor on their merits?
Here’s the interview with Elia Ayoub: https://thefirethesetimes.com/2025/06/30/the-rise-of-end-times-fascism-w-naomi-klein-astra-taylor/
For anyone not familiar, Elia is a great thinker and interviewer. He’s a Lebanese Palestinian journalist and historian. Check him out.
i’m sure i will find some of their ideas interesting and i will learn things, too. the same has happened to me while reading numerous western imperialists, foucault is a very interesting read, albeit one that reeks of the ideals of european settlers. the same is true of most writers. in fact, i dare say i have read more people i disagree that those i agree with, because that is the material reality of our world.
my point is not that, but rather than beyond this facade of little interesting ideas lies the ugly face of fascism. i cannot take, i cannot truly recommend, and even so much more less if they are interpolated by the DSA.
“Listen to this Zionazi for political theory” no thanks.
It sounds like you have no idea who Naomi Klein is and have never read a single thing she’s written or said (including that article).
For anyone interested, the actual article: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/11/why-are-some-of-the-left-celebrating-the-killings-of-israeli-jews
I don’t know why you think that supports your case