We’re in a discussion about a right-wing party sacrificing their leftist voter-base to gain more right-wing votes. You seem to be advocating that will somehow get more power for the left.
Lol. If Democrats are driving away voters (to the right) you think even leftier policies will prevent them from voting right? Give.your.nuts.a.tug.
Democrats are driving away voters by running to the right. They could run on more left-leaning policies, which are highly popular. You are the one advocating that they keep moving away from what their voters want.
Maybe not much, but more than the right will get ya, right?
Now your moving the goal-posts on this? 🙄
Racism… OP’s post pic litterally says, “U.S. Senate candidates debate…”, so this pertains to US politics. Hey also I patted my wife on the butt because she cooked me dinner tonight. Guess I’m a chauvinist…🤷
What are you talking about? What does that have to do with what we were discussing?
You might wanna read the stats. Look up what the Democrats have done in each of their last 3 administrations and look up what the Republicans have done for their last 3, and tell us which you prefer.
I have already done that. I even pointed out a lot of what they’ve done, but you decided to ignore that. Lets review other things that they did:
bombed kids
supported a rapist
made our healthcare more expensive, and lowered it’s quality
destroyed our environment
bailed out their rich friends
increased mass deportations
increased torture programs
And there’s plenty more. Which of those should I be supportive of? Because they are pretty antithetical to what I want.
Lol! No. But I think you might misunderstand something here. Basic human rights and Equality for all, are not are not hand-in-hand. They are separate things.
Yeah. I never claimed that they were. I’m claiming that those values aren’t “far left” as you stated they were.
Wow, what a comedy these questions are… Like, what? Which “genocidists”, and “rapits”, and “fascists” are you refering to?
The Democrats and Reupublicans, ICE, the police, the US military.
No, what I’m saying… Far lefties use the leverage of vote-threat, “we’ll vote for someone else if you don’t do what we want”, often. Look how that worked out for Palistinian-Americans that voted for Trump because, “evil” Dems didn’t immediately cut money to Israel. Measurably worse. Shot themselves in the foot.
Those Palestinians would have been killed under Harris too, so I’m not sure how that’s some kind of “gotcha”.
Vote-threat is how you leverage power. Look at what the strategy of “voting blue no matter who” has gotten us: Genocide and fascism. If the Democratic voters were willing to stop voting for fascism and genocide-supporters, and start leveraging that vote-threat, then we’d have a different party in power. One that wouldn’t be supporting fascism and genocide.
The protest voters didn’t shoot themselves in the foot, the Democrats aimed the gun at their foot, so that the Republicans could pull the trigger.
Jared Kushner is probably got a deal going to put a golf course on those dumb voters collective Palistinian family-homes as we speak.
Wait, what are you talking about? Do you think that Palestinains get to vote in US elections? Or do you think that people against genocide lost their homes?
Coopting of what “left”? What “left” is it that you speak of that had power in the US?
Hardly any because the Democrats keep coopting it.
Your statement makes it sound like your trying saving some sacred civilization. But that never existed so, the fuck are you on about?
What are you talking about? Where did I say anything like that? You are the one that made all that up.
The left IS the Dems as it currently stands in the USA, take it or leave it, and that’s what you’re working with if you want any measurable outcome. To say otherwise is living in fairyland.
No, the Dems are the right. They masquerade as the left. They are also the ones preventing us from having a measureable outcome.
Stop trying to fracture the only shield you have on grounds of pedantry and idealism that cannot be achieved from this rung on the ladder. You have to get to the higher rung first before climbing higher.
What shield? I’m fighting against the group that keeps preventing us from having a shield.
We’re in a discussion about a right-wing party sacrificing their leftist voter-base to gain more right-wing votes. You seem to be advocating that will somehow get more power for the left.
Democrats are driving away voters by running to the right. They could run on more left-leaning policies, which are highly popular. You are the one advocating that they keep moving away from what their voters want.
Now your moving the goal-posts on this? 🙄
What are you talking about? What does that have to do with what we were discussing?
I have already done that. I even pointed out a lot of what they’ve done, but you decided to ignore that. Lets review other things that they did:
And there’s plenty more. Which of those should I be supportive of? Because they are pretty antithetical to what I want.
Yeah. I never claimed that they were. I’m claiming that those values aren’t “far left” as you stated they were.
The Democrats and Reupublicans, ICE, the police, the US military.
Vote-threat is how you leverage power. Look at what the strategy of “voting blue no matter who” has gotten us: Genocide and fascism. If the Democratic voters were willing to stop voting for fascism and genocide-supporters, and start leveraging that vote-threat, then we’d have a different party in power. One that wouldn’t be supporting fascism and genocide.
The protest voters didn’t shoot themselves in the foot, the Democrats aimed the gun at their foot, so that the Republicans could pull the trigger.
Wait, what are you talking about? Do you think that Palestinains get to vote in US elections? Or do you think that people against genocide lost their homes?
Hardly any because the Democrats keep coopting it.
What are you talking about? Where did I say anything like that? You are the one that made all that up.
No, the Dems are the right. They masquerade as the left. They are also the ones preventing us from having a measureable outcome.
What shield? I’m fighting against the group that keeps preventing us from having a shield.