Whether or not an ethnostate is good depends on the ethnicity of the people of the ethnostate.

(/s, it is POV of a racist)

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      The American civil war was about states rights (states right to white supremacy)

      Our new government['s]…foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

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        States rights people hate it when pointing out slavery was enshrined in the state constitutions as a requirement for being part of the confederacy.

        Or when showing the south was pushing the north to ignore their states rights by forcing them to only follow southern slavery laws

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    this is rather dumb considering Israel is more ethnically diverse than any of it’s neighbors

    73.2% (about 7,208,000 people) are Jews, including about 503,000 living outside the self-defined borders of the State of Israel in the West Bank 21.1% (around 2,080,000 people) are Israeli citizens classified as Arab, some identifying as Palestinian, and including Druze, Circassians, all other Muslims, Christian Arabs, Armenians (which Israel considers “Arab”)[2] An additional 5.7% (roughly 554,000 people) are classified as “others”. This diverse group comprises those with Jewish ancestry but not recognized as Jewish by religious law, non-Jewish family members of Jewish immigrants, Christians other than Arabs and Armenians, and residents without a distinct ethnic or religious categorization.[2][1]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

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      considering Israel is more ethnically diverse

      Apartheid South Africa was ethnically diverse… Still an ethno-state.

      Ethno-states aren’t defined as lacking diversity, they are defined by an ethnic creating and maintaining a dominant hierarchy of that diversity.

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        not disagreeing but want to point out by that definition America is an ethnostate. Which again I’m not disagreeing with.

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              as well as most of the democrats and their refusal to enact the equal rights amendment.

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                  it started inthe 70’s and passed all the ratification hurdles in 2020; that’s how long people have been trying to push for it and proves how little things change within the american system.

                  in typical democrat fashion, biden made much ado about ratifying it, but without supporting it against the technical hangups so that it would die on its own and doing so paved the way for project 2025.

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            It’s because he’s attempting to utilize the fact that America was and potentially still is an ethno-state to lessen the culpability of the Israeli ethno-state.

            While modern America uses systemic racism to establish an ethnic hierarchy, unlike Israel it doesn’t expressly by law prohibit the movement or upward mobility of different ethnicities. Even if it did, that fact would not lessen the culpability of another state doing the same.

            Context and nuance is important.

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      Ethnically diverse? Motherfucker, they’re all kinds of WHITE EUROPEANS. It occupies Palestine with that in mind, using religion to hide behind it and justify it.

      The other 30 percent were either kidnapped children from various operations (with the help of the West) that grew up to be dogs of the Euroanglo-zionazis and become Zionazis themselves or straight up opportunist compradors from all around the world. Oh and to top it off, they sterilize them no matter how much they try to be a good dog, because they’re not white enough.

      That’s not diversity, that’s a settler-colonial ethnostate playing population control, trying to get just enough brown to justify their occupation to the public, but not too much to maintain Pan-Europa whiteness.

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      The whites need the others to do all the hard work. Can’t have a fascist settler colonial project without exploiting the natives. The ones that haven’t been murdered in the genocide yet, of course.

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        They need comprador tokens for PR brownie points to convince the libs of the diversity lie too

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      In a 2012 ruling by the Supreme Court on the issue, some of the judges on the panel discussed demography, and were inclined to accept that demography is a legitimate consideration in devising family reunification policies that violate the right to family life.

      Those in favor of the law say the law not only limits the possibility of the entrance of terrorists into Israel, but, as Ze’ev Boim asserts, allows Israel “to maintain the state’s democratic nature, but also its Jewish nature” (i. e., its Jewish demographic majority).

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      Gosh why do people hate the Jews so much. 🫤

      The problem with ethno-states is that it makes it super easy for people like yourself to conflate ethnicity with nationality.

      People don’t hate the Jews, people hate ethno-states who are currently committing a genocide. Many of these people who hate the state of Israel for their genocide are Jews themselves.

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      As contrary as it might seem, pointing out that Israel is a Jewish ethnostate is not antisemitic because that is what it is.

      That doesn’t mean all Jews are on board with it.

      Similar to the white ethnostate above it not meaning all white people are on board with it.