“Ants are not subjected to feeling the same pain humans do. They can recognize damage and respond to it, but they don’t genuinely feel pain the same way people do”
Couldn’t you apply that logic to literally all animals including humans? Pain is just a sensation to make us respond to damage, the suffering part is entierly subjective and no one can be sure any of the other humans even are capable of it, we just assume its the case based on personal experience and empathy.
Pain and pleasure are the greatest survival teachers, I’d expect them to be the basest feelings a living thing can have.
Saying some creatures don’t feel pain just because their physiology is different is like how we were taught that animals couldn’t think back in the 20th century.
“Survival of the fittest” is about a species, not an individual. For larger animals pain and pleasure are the greatest teachers, because we can learn from those. These species benefit from individuals learning survival skills. Insects have no use for it, they don’t learn to adapt, they survive through numbers, their behavior adapts through evolution.
They react to damage the same way plants do. If you want to call that pain, sure. It doesn’t make sense evolutionary that they would suffer from it though.
And we know it’s not inherent to life. Even some people are born without nociceptors because of genetic issues. Not-suffering is a big problem, kids get infections etc because they don’t learn to stop hurting themselves.
you can never see them “suffer”
“Ants are not subjected to feeling the same pain humans do. They can recognize damage and respond to it, but they don’t genuinely feel pain the same way people do”
What are you quoting?
some article i looked up
When you quote things, provide attribution to what you are quoting. “Otherwise you just look insane.”
maybe “i am”
Couldn’t you apply that logic to literally all animals including humans? Pain is just a sensation to make us respond to damage, the suffering part is entierly subjective and no one can be sure any of the other humans even are capable of it, we just assume its the case based on personal experience and empathy.
Nature is very cruel, but not so evil to evolve suffering in animals who don’t have the capacity to learn from it.
Pain and pleasure are the greatest survival teachers, I’d expect them to be the basest feelings a living thing can have.
Saying some creatures don’t feel pain just because their physiology is different is like how we were taught that animals couldn’t think back in the 20th century.
“Survival of the fittest” is about a species, not an individual. For larger animals pain and pleasure are the greatest teachers, because we can learn from those. These species benefit from individuals learning survival skills. Insects have no use for it, they don’t learn to adapt, they survive through numbers, their behavior adapts through evolution.
They react to damage the same way plants do. If you want to call that pain, sure. It doesn’t make sense evolutionary that they would suffer from it though.
And we know it’s not inherent to life. Even some people are born without nociceptors because of genetic issues. Not-suffering is a big problem, kids get infections etc because they don’t learn to stop hurting themselves.