I, like 99% of people who enjoy creating stuff, am never going to make money from it. Worrying about that 1% of people is just insane, and really, the small fraction of those people who truly get to be creative, rather than slaving at producing someone’s corporate vision, are going to be fine anyway.
This reply that the other person also made is just crazy to me. Isn’t lemmy, by and large, anti-capitalist? Why should the ability to make money off something even matter? Are you upset that people who really enjoy laying bricks will be mostly out of work if 3D-printed houses or some other technology replaces traditional building? Technology that obsoletes jobs is always a good thing for society; if the fruits of that technology are only enjoyed by a tiny fraction of society, that is a problem with how society is organised, not with technology.
Yeah, many differences, one of which is that the further employs far more people. Another is that the latter is not going to dissolve itself to be replaced by AI when the former fires artists to do that.
There is already very little market for the kind of art we all care about, so maybe we should worry less about the marketability of art.
Go to your local anime convention you’ll find tones of local artists that ask for money for their labour. The non corpo market will not be adversed online.
What makes you think those artists are going to be replaced by AI though? I don’t think people who buy art off a local artist are gonna go “you know what, let’s just print off this Midjourney shit”? I don’t at all.
I actually don’t think most people put art on their walls at all. The people who do, value a human connection in the art, not just something that looks cool (if you don’t care about the ai look).
I’m not about to spend my entire day to try and explain to you art isn’t about getting a pretty picture to consoome, and that no, “technology that obsoletes jobs” is not nearly always a good thing. Do you know how many items used to be better before mass-produced stuff took over and artisans were told to go fuck themselves? Or the disastrous effects of the green revolution? Do you understand that humans enjoy making things, that we (most of us anyway) don’t live here to just sit twiddling our thumbs and mindlessly ‘consume’.
Artisanal things are great, but because they take so much more time for a person to make, fewer people can have them - realised in our society as them being more expensive, but to be clear this is due to the fundamental issue of it not being possible to make as many for the same input of human time.
So, is it worth it to have a table made by a master craftsman versus a table produced in an IKEA factory, when the societal result is that some people just can’t afford a table - or they can, but the tradeoff is they can’t have something else? We are not a post-scarcity society, these are real questions.
Is it worth rewinding the green revolution and starving half the world population who depends on the higher crop yields due to modern agriculture?
The whole point is that you can still make things. What you cannot do is something 99% of people have never been able to do, that is: feed yourself by doing something that you would still do if feeding yourself didn’t depend on it.
But god forbid if you actually want to make money from your art; the way things are going, it’s getting near impossible.
What does it mean to have to do art only as a hobby.
Although there is good news, you have nothing to lose, you can create as dirty art as you want, screw censorship and morality.
I, like 99% of people who enjoy creating stuff, am never going to make money from it. Worrying about that 1% of people is just insane, and really, the small fraction of those people who truly get to be creative, rather than slaving at producing someone’s corporate vision, are going to be fine anyway.
This reply that the other person also made is just crazy to me. Isn’t lemmy, by and large, anti-capitalist? Why should the ability to make money off something even matter? Are you upset that people who really enjoy laying bricks will be mostly out of work if 3D-printed houses or some other technology replaces traditional building? Technology that obsoletes jobs is always a good thing for society; if the fruits of that technology are only enjoyed by a tiny fraction of society, that is a problem with how society is organised, not with technology.
There is a difference between growing an enterprise that extracts unfair value from your workers, and an indie studio owned by the artists.
The difference is noticeable.
Yeah, many differences, one of which is that the further employs far more people. Another is that the latter is not going to dissolve itself to be replaced by AI when the former fires artists to do that.
There is already very little market for the kind of art we all care about, so maybe we should worry less about the marketability of art.
Go to your local anime convention you’ll find tones of local artists that ask for money for their labour. The non corpo market will not be adversed online.
What makes you think those artists are going to be replaced by AI though? I don’t think people who buy art off a local artist are gonna go “you know what, let’s just print off this Midjourney shit”? I don’t at all.
I actually don’t think most people put art on their walls at all. The people who do, value a human connection in the art, not just something that looks cool (if you don’t care about the ai look).
I didn’t say that, we’re on the same page here ❤️
Oh sorry lol
This festival still needs to be found.
Because I want to eat.
What about the rest of my comment or hell , sentence 🙄
I’m not about to spend my entire day to try and explain to you art isn’t about getting a pretty picture to consoome, and that no, “technology that obsoletes jobs” is not nearly always a good thing. Do you know how many items used to be better before mass-produced stuff took over and artisans were told to go fuck themselves? Or the disastrous effects of the green revolution? Do you understand that humans enjoy making things, that we (most of us anyway) don’t live here to just sit twiddling our thumbs and mindlessly ‘consume’.
Artisanal things are great, but because they take so much more time for a person to make, fewer people can have them - realised in our society as them being more expensive, but to be clear this is due to the fundamental issue of it not being possible to make as many for the same input of human time.
So, is it worth it to have a table made by a master craftsman versus a table produced in an IKEA factory, when the societal result is that some people just can’t afford a table - or they can, but the tradeoff is they can’t have something else? We are not a post-scarcity society, these are real questions.
Is it worth rewinding the green revolution and starving half the world population who depends on the higher crop yields due to modern agriculture?
The whole point is that you can still make things. What you cannot do is something 99% of people have never been able to do, that is: feed yourself by doing something that you would still do if feeding yourself didn’t depend on it.
But you enjoy the fruits that the 1% has grown for us. How can we grow a new crop of artists if you’re born after AI takes over?