Americans are divided in who they blame more for the shutdown: In a choice between congressional Democrats and congressional Republicans, 32% blame Democrats most, 35% Republicans, and 28% both equally. Compared to when we asked this question in the October 17 - 20 Economist / YouGov survey, the share blaming mostly Republicans has fallen 4 percentage points and the share blaming both sides equally has gone up by 4 points.
I’m happy that the Dems held out. Hell, I’m happy that the majority is still holding out, despite those breaking ranks looking to undermine the effort. But that’s not the same as pretending we are the fucking majority
Funny that you didn’t post the parts immediately before and after that snippet. Before:
A YouGov survey released Friday found 32 percent of respondents blame Democrats for the shutdown, while 35 percent fault Republicans and 28 percent say both parties are equally responsible.
After:
But over the past month, net approval for how parties are handling the shutdown has worsened for both President Trump (-21 to -27) and congressional Republicans (-23 to -27). Net approval for congressional Democrats has stayed low but mostly unchanged (-25 to -26) since October, according to YouGov.
You’re just hyper-focusing on the part that you find rhetorically convenient. More people still blamed the Republicans and support for the Republicans’s handling of the shutdown was falling faster.
A shutdown, furthermore, that most voters were against to begin with.
Lmao did you just provide more evidence to undermine your own position?
Who would you blame more if there is a shutdown of the federal government at the end of the month, the Democrats in Congress, Donald Trump and the Republicans in Congress or both equally? Or have you not heard enough to say?
You’re just hyper-focusing on the part that you find rhetorically convenient. More people still blamed the Republicans and support for the Republicans’s handling of the shutdown was falling faster.
“More people blamed the Republicans, but most people are not in support of the shutdown and the numbers for the Dems are worsening”
Yes, clearly this contradicts what I initially commented.
Go back to remedial literacy. Get a passing grade this time, if you can understand which of the funny symbols that is.
Lmao did you just provide more evidence to undermine your own position?
I’m sorry that you’re illiterate.
Grow a spine.
Grow a brain, or a sense of morality. But pro-genocide bootlickers like you revel in the deaths of minorities, if only it’s done by the fascists wearing the right team colors. That’s why you deny the Uyghur Genocide, after all.
You’re right, because I don’t support genocide. We are clearly very far apart on that matter.
Sorry that I’ve been calling out Palestinian genocide for over a decade. I know that’s terribly inconvenient for bootlickers like you who desperately want others to be your mirror image. I’m sorry that my position on genocide isn’t determined by team colors.
Of course that’s me. I have not seen reliable evidence that a genocide is or was happening there. As I recall from a previous conversation, your rather silly stance on that was that you don’t have to provide evidence to support a claim of genocide, on the basis that I’m a fascist, which you concluded from the fact that I deny your baseless claims of genocide. A classic, textbook case of circular logic.
I said that I don’t support any genocide. I don’t believe that anybody should start genociding Uighurs. I do deny genocides, such as the supposed “white genocide” that fascists go on about, or any other claims of genocide that aren’t supported by evidence. In fact, I deny pretty much any claim that isn’t supported by evidence. Apparently, your position is that if some random person tries to tell me that France is genociding Belgians, I’m supposed to accept that claim without question or else I’m a fascist, unworthy of the privilege of getting to see your evidence.
Which brings me back to the question I posed on the linked post: Do you condemn the ongoing US genocide of Italians? Are you, or are you not, a genocide denier? Simple question, really. If you accept that it’s happening, then there’s no need to provide evidence, if you deny, you’re a fascist and I won’t provide you evidence because fascists don’t deserve evidence, or something like that. Sorry, I’m not really as good at doing the whole witch trial thing as you are.
Of course that’s me. I have not seen reliable evidence that a genocide is or was happening there.
Thank you for confirming your genocide denial, fascist.
As I recall from a previous conversation,
The ‘previous conversation’ was you whinging in my inbox after you were banned after a lengthy and extensive denial of the Uyghur Genocide despite another commenter giving you ample evidence and examples on the historical photographs community I moderated. You wanted to restart the argument with me, and I told you to go fuck yourself for being a fascist, fascist.
Ah, here is the entirety of my side of that ‘conversation’:
Look how clearly I state I’m going to engage with your sealioning, but then assert that evidence is irrelevant! 😭
Oh, wait, no, I just told you to fuck off after you came crawling into my inbox.
It’s really not a good idea to put ALL your Credibility Eggs into the Poll Basket. MAGAs have been gaming the polls for years, the Conservative Propaganda Machine tells them how, and encourages them, and they are becoming more and more unreliable. It’s a very bad idea to rely on one single poll for all your evidence.
So no response to actual evidence that the voters weren’t behind them, cool.
You’re not owed interaction on your terms. You’re not entitled to a debate, sea lion.
I don’t support the 8 Dems who broke ranks
You are by making excuses for their actions. And I don’t believe for an instant that you don’t support this. You had your one little poll just ready to go for when your wing of the party did what you wanted, just like you spent an entire year supporting them BECAUSE they were selling weapons to netanyahu.
The meaning of Sea Lioning is not “Refutes my points 😭” but “Insists on an engagement by bad faith inquiries”
Yes. Which is what you were doing.
Where did I excuse their actions?
By pretending they had reason to fear continuing the shutdown. You know better.
I’ve been calling out Israeli genocide and advocating against all US aid for Israel for longer than Lemmy has existed, but go off, I guess.
And then started advocating for those who enabled netanyahu as soon as you made a lemmy account for some reason.
If people were blaming the shutdown on democrats, they would have lost. They won. Now their voters are seeing that they’ve been had. Your wing of the party shamelessly betrayed its voters. Well, they didn’t betray you.
You think that… citing a source… and saying that you are incorrect… is a question.
And you think that responding to me in an argument is me attempting to engage an unwilling participant by use of bad faith inquiries.
… fucking what.
By pretending they had reason to fear continuing the shutdown. You know better.
I don’t ‘know better’, as public discontent over the shutdown is serious. I fear the backlash from the shutdown. I support the shutdown continuing for the dual reasons of the inhumanity of the GOP proposal and the fact that the backlash from GOP cuts might be worse in the long run not because I believe the shutdown is some massively popular issue at the moment. Some 70% of the electorate didn’t want the Dems to pull the trigger on the shutdown - I’m glad they did anyway! But that’s really fucking different from pretending that there’s mass support for the issue.
At no point was justification offered for the eight Dems who broke ranks; only that the notion that they had the voters ‘behind them’ was ridiculous by the numbers.
And then started advocating for those who enabled netanyahu as soon as you made a lemmy account for some reason.
Ah, yes, “Please don’t assist the fascist, he’s literally more pro-Israel than even Biden”, the sin that a Very Real Leftist™ like yourself could never forgive. Any number of murdered minorities, after all, including additional murdered Palestinians, is worth your moral high ground of banging the drum against the great monolith of “The DEMS”
If people were blaming the shutdown on democrats, they would have lost. They won.
What the fuck?
Now their voters are seeing that they’ve been had. Your wing of the party shamelessly betrayed its voters. Well, they didn’t betray you.
And you think that responding to me in an argument is me attempting to engage an unwilling participant by use of bad faith inquiries.
I had no desire to engage on your terms. Since I’m not named netanyahu, you don’t care what I think.
Ah, yes, “Please don’t assist the fascist, he’s literally more pro-Israel than even Biden”, the sin that a Very Real Leftist™ like yourself could never forgive.
that hasn’t been your messaging. Your messaging has been constant abuse at anyone who doesn’t like genocide for any reason at all.
Any number of murdered minorities, after all, including additional murdered Palestinians, is worth your moral high ground of banging the drum against the great monolith of “The DEMS”
You preferred the murdered minorities over telling netanyahu no.
If people were blaming the shutdown on democrats, they would have lost. They won.
What the fuck?
Centrists can’t understand the concept of a mandate from the people.
I had no desire to engage on your terms. Since I’m not named netanyahu, you don’t care what I think.
… you’re literally here, engaging, albeit doing so with subpar literacy and reasoning skills.
that hasn’t been your messaging. Your messaging has been constant abuse at anyone who doesn’t like genocide for any reason at all.
Lord.
You preferred the murdered minorities over telling netanyahu no.
Fucking what.
Do you not understand what I’m saying, or is this non-sequitur intentional?
Or do you think I’m secretly Biden himself?
Centrists can’t understand the concept of a mandate from the people.
… fucking what.
Do you… do you not understand the difference between elections at different levels of government? Do you not understand the concept of popularity and unpopularity enduring from one moment to the next, as with Mamdani’s months-long lead, or are you incapable of conceptualizing anything outside of your immediate moment of consciousness right now?
You just say whatever ‘feels’ right, huh?
Did you even read your own source? <5% of registered dems blamed the dems, and ~21% of registered independents.
https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/53352-are-people-changing-their-minds-about-the-shutdown
A shutdown, furthermore, that most voters were against to begin with.
I’m happy that the Dems held out. Hell, I’m happy that the majority is still holding out, despite those breaking ranks looking to undermine the effort. But that’s not the same as pretending we are the fucking majority
We can all agree shithole politicians caused this shutdown.
Funny that you didn’t post the parts immediately before and after that snippet. Before:
After:
You’re just hyper-focusing on the part that you find rhetorically convenient. More people still blamed the Republicans and support for the Republicans’s handling of the shutdown was falling faster.
Lmao did you just provide more evidence to undermine your own position?
Grow a spine.
Valid.
“More people blamed the Republicans, but most people are not in support of the shutdown and the numbers for the Dems are worsening”
Yes, clearly this contradicts what I initially commented.
Go back to remedial literacy. Get a passing grade this time, if you can understand which of the funny symbols that is.
I’m sorry that you’re illiterate.
Grow a brain, or a sense of morality. But pro-genocide bootlickers like you revel in the deaths of minorities, if only it’s done by the fascists wearing the right team colors. That’s why you deny the Uyghur Genocide, after all.
Looked in a mirror lately?
I don’t support any genocide, the way you do.
This you, denialist bootlicker?
You’re right, because I don’t support genocide. We are clearly very far apart on that matter.
Sorry that I’ve been calling out Palestinian genocide for over a decade. I know that’s terribly inconvenient for bootlickers like you who desperately want others to be your mirror image. I’m sorry that my position on genocide isn’t determined by team colors.
You are one of the loudest champions for the bidenyahu genocide.
Of course that’s me. I have not seen reliable evidence that a genocide is or was happening there. As I recall from a previous conversation, your rather silly stance on that was that you don’t have to provide evidence to support a claim of genocide, on the basis that I’m a fascist, which you concluded from the fact that I deny your baseless claims of genocide. A classic, textbook case of circular logic.
I said that I don’t support any genocide. I don’t believe that anybody should start genociding Uighurs. I do deny genocides, such as the supposed “white genocide” that fascists go on about, or any other claims of genocide that aren’t supported by evidence. In fact, I deny pretty much any claim that isn’t supported by evidence. Apparently, your position is that if some random person tries to tell me that France is genociding Belgians, I’m supposed to accept that claim without question or else I’m a fascist, unworthy of the privilege of getting to see your evidence.
Which brings me back to the question I posed on the linked post: Do you condemn the ongoing US genocide of Italians? Are you, or are you not, a genocide denier? Simple question, really. If you accept that it’s happening, then there’s no need to provide evidence, if you deny, you’re a fascist and I won’t provide you evidence because fascists don’t deserve evidence, or something like that. Sorry, I’m not really as good at doing the whole witch trial thing as you are.
Thank you for confirming your genocide denial, fascist.
The ‘previous conversation’ was you whinging in my inbox after you were banned after a lengthy and extensive denial of the Uyghur Genocide despite another commenter giving you ample evidence and examples on the historical photographs community I moderated. You wanted to restart the argument with me, and I told you to go fuck yourself for being a fascist, fascist.
Ah, here is the entirety of my side of that ‘conversation’:
Look how clearly I state I’m going to engage with your sealioning, but then assert that evidence is irrelevant! 😭
Oh, wait, no, I just told you to fuck off after you came crawling into my inbox.
You just defend the worst actions of democrats no matter what they do.
So no response to actual evidence that the voters weren’t behind them, cool.
I guess your inner Republican craves ‘truthiness’ over truth, huh?
I don’t support the 8 Dems who broke ranks, but that’s fucking different from pretending that this was a popular shutdown.
It’s really not a good idea to put ALL your Credibility Eggs into the Poll Basket. MAGAs have been gaming the polls for years, the Conservative Propaganda Machine tells them how, and encourages them, and they are becoming more and more unreliable. It’s a very bad idea to rely on one single poll for all your evidence.
You’re not owed interaction on your terms. You’re not entitled to a debate, sea lion.
You are by making excuses for their actions. And I don’t believe for an instant that you don’t support this. You had your one little poll just ready to go for when your wing of the party did what you wanted, just like you spent an entire year supporting them BECAUSE they were selling weapons to netanyahu.
lmao
The meaning of Sea Lioning is not “Refutes my points 😭” but “Insists on an engagement by bad faith inquiries”
Engaging with me, and after I presented evidence, not a question, is as far from proving me a Sea Lion as you can get.
Sorry that refuting your bullshit hurt your feelings.
Where did I excuse their actions?
lmao
lmao
Fucking lmao.
I’ve been calling out Israeli genocide and advocating against all US aid for Israel for longer than Lemmy has existed, but go off, I guess.
Yes. Which is what you were doing.
By pretending they had reason to fear continuing the shutdown. You know better.
And then started advocating for those who enabled netanyahu as soon as you made a lemmy account for some reason.
If people were blaming the shutdown on democrats, they would have lost. They won. Now their voters are seeing that they’ve been had. Your wing of the party shamelessly betrayed its voters. Well, they didn’t betray you.
You think that… citing a source… and saying that you are incorrect… is a question.
And you think that responding to me in an argument is me attempting to engage an unwilling participant by use of bad faith inquiries.
… fucking what.
I don’t ‘know better’, as public discontent over the shutdown is serious. I fear the backlash from the shutdown. I support the shutdown continuing for the dual reasons of the inhumanity of the GOP proposal and the fact that the backlash from GOP cuts might be worse in the long run not because I believe the shutdown is some massively popular issue at the moment. Some 70% of the electorate didn’t want the Dems to pull the trigger on the shutdown - I’m glad they did anyway! But that’s really fucking different from pretending that there’s mass support for the issue.
At no point was justification offered for the eight Dems who broke ranks; only that the notion that they had the voters ‘behind them’ was ridiculous by the numbers.
Ah, yes, “Please don’t assist the fascist, he’s literally more pro-Israel than even Biden”, the sin that a Very Real Leftist™ like yourself could never forgive. Any number of murdered minorities, after all, including additional murdered Palestinians, is worth your moral high ground of banging the drum against the great monolith of “The DEMS”
What the fuck?
Lord.
I had no desire to engage on your terms. Since I’m not named netanyahu, you don’t care what I think.
that hasn’t been your messaging. Your messaging has been constant abuse at anyone who doesn’t like genocide for any reason at all.
You preferred the murdered minorities over telling netanyahu no.
Centrists can’t understand the concept of a mandate from the people.
… you’re literally here, engaging, albeit doing so with subpar literacy and reasoning skills.
Lord.
Fucking what.
Do you not understand what I’m saying, or is this non-sequitur intentional?
Or do you think I’m secretly Biden himself?
… fucking what.
Do you… do you not understand the difference between elections at different levels of government? Do you not understand the concept of popularity and unpopularity enduring from one moment to the next, as with Mamdani’s months-long lead, or are you incapable of conceptualizing anything outside of your immediate moment of consciousness right now?