• VeganBtw@piefed.social
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    3 hours ago

    This is just moral luck. My opinion is that your work was very unethical from the get-go and you just happened to be happy with the outcome. It’s like saying you are ashamed of speeding in your car, until some day, when you crashed into Elon Musk.

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      You rather made my point - everything about morality is relative. There are no moral absolutes - it is up to your (and my) prospective. For the record, I do wrestle with my employment there . . . yes, we did stop many, many Russian tanks. But I also suspect other systems have been used in Gaza by the IDF.

      As for speeding and taking out Musk - 100%, sign me up for that moral tradeoff right now!!!

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        I do not adhere to moral relativity at all. It is, I think, an untenable position that makes pedophiles and genocides as valid as charity work and kids’ hospitals.

        Also, how can you believe absolutely that there are no moral absolutes? It was pointed as illogical more than a couple millennia ago.

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          19 minutes ago

          It appears you are confusing moral absolutism with moral universalism. I stand by what I wrote.

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          Ok sure, then what is the source of this moral authority which defines all morality?

          Morality is a social construct, not an immutable part of the universe, and there are many societies on Earth so what is ‘moral’ completely depends on where you are.

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      My opinion is that your work was very unethical from the get-go

      Calling any form of military “unethical” is the absolute peak level of clueless wishful thinking.

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        Sorry, I’m not sure I’m familiar with this particular school of moral philosophy. What’s it called? Bootlicking?

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          It’s called “not being an idiot and realising you not having military doesn’t protect you from the despot one border over who does”. You should read up on it.

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            Hmm, but if I’m conquered by the despot one border over, then I suppose I’d have to start supporting his military, wouldn’t I? After all, I’d be an idiot to not support the only people protecting me my despot from the other despot one border over, right?

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              21 minutes ago

              I guess you would just take the moral high ground, and allow anyone to take whatever is yours.

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                Or I’d have to support people who actually fight for my interests instead of blindly licking boots and rallying around a flag while dismissing all criticism because “the military is inherently moral.”

                Your position can’t withstand even the slightest degree of scrutiny, lol. As expected of a bootlicker.

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                  1. I never said anything even remotely similar to “the military is inherently moral”. Is moral of you to put words in others’ mouths?
                  2. Military in normal countries is used in times of peace to help fighting natural disasters, like floods. I don’t see that as immoral. Do you?
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          I agree in principle. But in reality, as long as someone has military, everybody has to have it too.

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      I think it depends on whether you work on actual defense systems rather than assault systems.

      Anti missile systems for example.

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        There’s no real difference between offense and defense. The more secure my position, the more easily I can attack from it without fear of retribution.