This meme is made by a leftist, and that community does have an issue with the same “if you don’t explicitly agree with everything we say, you are other and therefore evil” attitude that the MAGA crowd has.
Thank God a brave centrist was willing to come here to criticize the left and defend the right to protect us from evil socialist extremism.
Please, oh holy enlightened central one, tell us the errors of our thinking. Is it our sins of universal healthcare, anti-genocide, and equal rights for all?
Please, oh please, do sermon us on the benefits of the right like unregulated capitalism, environmental destruction, and thought policing
Your sarcasm mutes your point terribly and this is the exact shit that has resulted in the ‘left memes’ being a sniveling crying loser.
I don’t know the guy you replied to from a loaf of bread but how did he support the right? He said both left and right and doing the same shit and you come out with these 3 rambling paragraphs, assuming things wildly.
I’m really not sure how to dumb it down more to make it make sense to you, given that the sarcasm and hyperbole dumbed it down quite a bit intentionally for effect. I guess read slower?
Is a shitty attitude a defining point of being a leftist? Because that’s the only thing I’m criticizing here. Everything else is just you making up things to be mad about.
So when you get rightfully criticized, your response is to cry that all of your criticisms are made up and that everyone besides you is wrong and has a bad attitude
If everyone you meet is an asshole, maybe you’re the asshole instead. But having that epiphany would involve you dropping that iconic “better than you” smugness that centrists love so much and giving a fuck about other people instead
What part of your comment was “legit criticism”? All you did was assume I’m a centrist and go off with a bunch of sarcasm based on that.
If you were trying to say that the the way some leftists attack everyone for everything is justified or necessary in some way, you should have tried making that point without adding in assumptions and sarcasm.
We’re assuming you’re a centrist because you’re very clearly trying to hold the exact position that the OP meme is mocking. My sarcasm is on point here because such a position is foolish and worthy of ridicule, and the hyperbole does an excellent job of pointing out the blatant falsehood of the entire political spectrum being equal.
I have no obligation to entertain right-wing viewpoints, give them a platform, or respect anyone who thinks they are worth consideration. In fact, I have an obligation to the do the exact opposite in defense of the victims of those viewpoints coming to fruition.
My advice would be to get off the fence and grow a thicker skin. No one likes centrists, especially whiny ones who think they’re above reproach or consequence.
You truly are proving the point I was making. Go back and look at the first comment I made that started this whole thread.
What if I rephrase to leave out mentioning MAGA, and simply say “the way some leftists choose to communicate is counterproductive”. What part of that statement says anything about actual leftist policy?
The knee-jerk reactions of people in this thread is exactly what I am taking issue with. Based on a single sentence, criticizing not leftist ideals, but criticizing the choice of how some people communicate, now you assume you know my position on all topics, based on your idea of what a “centrist” is (a term the is quickly becoming as useless as the term “woke”).
What point were you trying to make exactly, that your panties get twisted when centrists and the fascists they enable are rightfully called out? Again, not my responsibility to tolerate your intolerance.
If you’re going to keep pestering me demanding an apology, I’ll save you some time and tell you that you won’t get it. Go to a fascist forum if you want validation that the left are a bunch of meanie extremists for advocating basic human rights.
Whoops, I forgot that I singularly control the equality settings for every nation on the planet, including Canada. Let me just pop over to the control panel.
I never claimed Gladue, Canada has utopian equality, actually. I couldn’t even point it out on a map. As another user pointed out, leftism ADVOCATES and works towards those ideals, which very clearly was what I was saying in context. If you had a functional frontal lobe, this might be an easier conversation for you. Maybe iron out the dent in your brain before trying to tackle big conversations, lil fella
You can have clean water when you stop tearing apart the water treatment plants for the resale value of the previous water treatment plant.
or , here’s an idea, enter the 21st centruy and collect taxes to pay for it yourself, like the rest of the country’s municipalities?
Or, maybe the chiefs can forgo new trucks every year and actually build infrastructure for their people?
It’s hard to keep the sympathy when all I can see on the res is complete corruption.
if the tribes are “their own nation” then maybe start collecting taxes like every other nation on earth?
Mamdani is a pretty good example of the left doing things right; get the right guy nominated at the party level, then worry about the election. In a two party system, election day is too late to fix anything, it’s purely damage control at that point.
Mamdani is a pretty good example of the left doing things right
He ran at the right time, the stars aligned and gave him some truly wretched losers for opposition, and national media tripped over a dozen billionaire’s dicks trying to insert itself into municipal politics.
But I don’t think Mamdani would have been successful against a Guliani, a Bloomberg, or a DeBlasio. And if a Republican had won over a fractured Liberal/Left field, I suspect we’d be getting an earful about how Radical Islamists cost the Democratic Party the election.
There’s thousands of Mamdani’s in modern American politics. You can find them in every DSA chapter in America. He’s not simply the product of The Left Doing Things Right. He’s a product of the liberals and conservatives finally running out of gas, then tangling themselves in a knot trying to block an alternative.
Leftists barely agree with each other, let alone anybody elsewhere on the political spectrum. You aren’t entirely wrong, though - there is a tendency to say that anything good is leftist and anything bad is right-wing, but right-wingers also do the same (see how anything they don’t like is either woke or communist, or both)
but right wingers are mostly homogeneous in thier beliefs, with the hefty help of the propaganda MSMs and financial backing. left doesnt have a propaganda machine promoting “left”, thats why there isnt any unified belief amongst all left leaning people.
Yes, a lot of self-proclaimed centrists are rather right-wing but like to picture themselevs as occupying the middle of the bell curve. See also their use of the term “common sense” when they want to feel like their view is the majority one despite that not being supported by statistics.
Yeah there is a massive range of disagreement under the umbrella term “leftists”. Marxist, Marxist-Leninist, Trotskyist, Maoist, Communization theory, Anarcho-communist, Eco-anarchist, Christian anarchist, etc. etc.
These are all largely arguments over organizing a working class majority in control of it’s own lands and capital. None in these groups objects to the central thesis of worker self-government.
By contrast, centrist/right groups favor narrow hierarchies of elite oligarchs, them bicker over exactly which one of their kingpins should get the big chair.
Based on what? The fact that I don’t fall over myself to agree with whatever the leftist opinion-du-jour is? Comments like yours are specifically why the leftist movement is doomed to failure. It’s a shame, since most the ideas are good, just too many self-righteous assholes are the vocal face of it.
Wordy and self-aggrandizing but basically yeah, you even admit the ideas are good and that the only reason you pretend otherwise is because you don’t like the people telling you them, get the fuck over yourself and start being correct about things
Can you even read? I said the left has an attitude problem, just like the right does. That says absolutely fuck-all about how I feel about the actual ideas behind leftism.
The fact that I don’t fall over myself to agree with whatever the leftist opinion-du-jour is?
Getting strong Know-Nothing vibes of this whole thread. No real ideological thesis or central position. Just a bunch of hollow “I’m a free thinker because I hate you” reactionary slop.
Reminds me of the old joke about the conservative being whatever the opposite of a liberal is, updated daily.
I’m very purposely trying to keep my opinions about policy points out of it, because that’s not what I was ever taking issue with, and it would only serve to completely derail the conversation.
All I’ve ever been taking issue with is the discourse itself. The US has a two party system, which is inherently going to encourage a very “us vs them” mentality. When people immediately jump to name calling, ridicule, and general verbal abuse at the first hint of disagreement, it’s only making things worse.
I view libertarianism similarly to how I view communism (the actual philosophies not the co-opted bullshit Libertarianism or the red scare version of communism); they are systems that seem like they could work if you somehow got everyone on the same page, but I don’t believe that they are robust enough to withstand the people who would exploit the system.
I feel like half the problem with politics right now is that everyone feels like they have to pick a label to call themselves. So they pick whichever is closest to what they believe at the time, then (consciously or unconsciously) mold themselves to conform with that chosen group. Suddenly, everyone who disagrees is personally attacking them, since they went and made their political affiliation part of their identity, rather than just a choice they make.
Opposing fascism isn’t far left. That’s just being a decent person.
This meme is made by a leftist, and that community does have an issue with the same “if you don’t explicitly agree with everything we say, you are other and therefore evil” attitude that the MAGA crowd has.
Thank God a brave centrist was willing to come here to criticize the left and defend the right to protect us from evil socialist extremism.
Please, oh holy enlightened central one, tell us the errors of our thinking. Is it our sins of universal healthcare, anti-genocide, and equal rights for all?
Please, oh please, do sermon us on the benefits of the right like unregulated capitalism, environmental destruction, and thought policing
Your sarcasm mutes your point terribly and this is the exact shit that has resulted in the ‘left memes’ being a sniveling crying loser.
I don’t know the guy you replied to from a loaf of bread but how did he support the right? He said both left and right and doing the same shit and you come out with these 3 rambling paragraphs, assuming things wildly.
I’m really not sure how to dumb it down more to make it make sense to you, given that the sarcasm and hyperbole dumbed it down quite a bit intentionally for effect. I guess read slower?
Perhaps, you should take your own advice. Good luck to you.
Is a shitty attitude a defining point of being a leftist? Because that’s the only thing I’m criticizing here. Everything else is just you making up things to be mad about.
So when you get rightfully criticized, your response is to cry that all of your criticisms are made up and that everyone besides you is wrong and has a bad attitude
If everyone you meet is an asshole, maybe you’re the asshole instead. But having that epiphany would involve you dropping that iconic “better than you” smugness that centrists love so much and giving a fuck about other people instead
What part of your comment was “legit criticism”? All you did was assume I’m a centrist and go off with a bunch of sarcasm based on that.
If you were trying to say that the the way some leftists attack everyone for everything is justified or necessary in some way, you should have tried making that point without adding in assumptions and sarcasm.
We’re assuming you’re a centrist because you’re very clearly trying to hold the exact position that the OP meme is mocking. My sarcasm is on point here because such a position is foolish and worthy of ridicule, and the hyperbole does an excellent job of pointing out the blatant falsehood of the entire political spectrum being equal.
I have no obligation to entertain right-wing viewpoints, give them a platform, or respect anyone who thinks they are worth consideration. In fact, I have an obligation to the do the exact opposite in defense of the victims of those viewpoints coming to fruition.
My advice would be to get off the fence and grow a thicker skin. No one likes centrists, especially whiny ones who think they’re above reproach or consequence.
You truly are proving the point I was making. Go back and look at the first comment I made that started this whole thread.
What if I rephrase to leave out mentioning MAGA, and simply say “the way some leftists choose to communicate is counterproductive”. What part of that statement says anything about actual leftist policy?
The knee-jerk reactions of people in this thread is exactly what I am taking issue with. Based on a single sentence, criticizing not leftist ideals, but criticizing the choice of how some people communicate, now you assume you know my position on all topics, based on your idea of what a “centrist” is (a term the is quickly becoming as useless as the term “woke”).
What point were you trying to make exactly, that your panties get twisted when centrists and the fascists they enable are rightfully called out? Again, not my responsibility to tolerate your intolerance.
If you’re going to keep pestering me demanding an apology, I’ll save you some time and tell you that you won’t get it. Go to a fascist forum if you want validation that the left are a bunch of meanie extremists for advocating basic human rights.
Some one did not read the Canadian Constitution or the bill of rights.
Tell us, oh, wise one, about the ‘equal rights’ in Gladue?
Whoops, I forgot that I singularly control the equality settings for every nation on the planet, including Canada. Let me just pop over to the control panel.
That was very not cool to forget that bro
I’m so sorry bro, I should’ve paid better attention to the training material when I became The Leftist™️
No one said you ‘control it’ But you are the one who seems to think we have it.
maybe do your homework before spouting lies and bullshit??
I never claimed Gladue, Canada has utopian equality, actually. I couldn’t even point it out on a map. As another user pointed out, leftism ADVOCATES and works towards those ideals, which very clearly was what I was saying in context. If you had a functional frontal lobe, this might be an easier conversation for you. Maybe iron out the dent in your brain before trying to tackle big conversations, lil fella
Where did they say it’s what we have, because to me it reads that those are what we’re fighting for.
This includes indigenous peoples.
indigenous peoples in Canada already have more rights than actual Canadians.
What the hell are you on about?
Anything’s possible when you make shit up kiddo
How about the right to clean water?
You can have clean water when you stop tearing apart the water treatment plants for the resale value of the previous water treatment plant.
or , here’s an idea, enter the 21st centruy and collect taxes to pay for it yourself, like the rest of the country’s municipalities?
Or, maybe the chiefs can forgo new trucks every year and actually build infrastructure for their people?
It’s hard to keep the sympathy when all I can see on the res is complete corruption.
if the tribes are “their own nation” then maybe start collecting taxes like every other nation on earth?
What gives them the authority to collect taxes in Canada? Only government’s can do that.
Tribes are not nation-states like Canada is.
“Vote Blue No Matter Who”
(Except Mamdani)
Mamdani is a pretty good example of the left doing things right; get the right guy nominated at the party level, then worry about the election. In a two party system, election day is too late to fix anything, it’s purely damage control at that point.
He ran at the right time, the stars aligned and gave him some truly wretched losers for opposition, and national media tripped over a dozen billionaire’s dicks trying to insert itself into municipal politics.
But I don’t think Mamdani would have been successful against a Guliani, a Bloomberg, or a DeBlasio. And if a Republican had won over a fractured Liberal/Left field, I suspect we’d be getting an earful about how Radical Islamists cost the Democratic Party the election.
There’s thousands of Mamdani’s in modern American politics. You can find them in every DSA chapter in America. He’s not simply the product of The Left Doing Things Right. He’s a product of the liberals and conservatives finally running out of gas, then tangling themselves in a knot trying to block an alternative.
Democrats Win: We didn’t need the left’s help with this!
Democrats Lose: It’s all the left’s fault, here’s endless articles why.
Leftists barely agree with each other, let alone anybody elsewhere on the political spectrum. You aren’t entirely wrong, though - there is a tendency to say that anything good is leftist and anything bad is right-wing, but right-wingers also do the same (see how anything they don’t like is either woke or communist, or both)
but right wingers are mostly homogeneous in thier beliefs, with the hefty help of the propaganda MSMs and financial backing. left doesnt have a propaganda machine promoting “left”, thats why there isnt any unified belief amongst all left leaning people.
And anything that doesn’t involve a fencepost tickling their prostate is a sin to centrists.
Their g-spot is pretty far to the right though.
Yes, a lot of self-proclaimed centrists are rather right-wing but like to picture themselevs as occupying the middle of the bell curve. See also their use of the term “common sense” when they want to feel like their view is the majority one despite that not being supported by statistics.
Yeah there is a massive range of disagreement under the umbrella term “leftists”. Marxist, Marxist-Leninist, Trotskyist, Maoist, Communization theory, Anarcho-communist, Eco-anarchist, Christian anarchist, etc. etc.
These are all largely arguments over organizing a working class majority in control of it’s own lands and capital. None in these groups objects to the central thesis of worker self-government.
By contrast, centrist/right groups favor narrow hierarchies of elite oligarchs, them bicker over exactly which one of their kingpins should get the big chair.
So, most people make generalizations based on personal biases? And its human nature tendency to have “in-groups” and “out-groups”? That simple though?
Yep, I think real centrists see them both as frothing at the mouth fucking idiots who treat the world and politics like a sports team.
It’s a fucking joke.
bOtH sIdEs
Hey look, someone trying to prove my point.
They’re right, you’re a moron and a coward
Based on what? The fact that I don’t fall over myself to agree with whatever the leftist opinion-du-jour is? Comments like yours are specifically why the leftist movement is doomed to failure. It’s a shame, since most the ideas are good, just too many self-righteous assholes are the vocal face of it.
Wordy and self-aggrandizing but basically yeah, you even admit the ideas are good and that the only reason you pretend otherwise is because you don’t like the people telling you them, get the fuck over yourself and start being correct about things
Can you even read? I said the left has an attitude problem, just like the right does. That says absolutely fuck-all about how I feel about the actual ideas behind leftism.
“Attitude problem” translation you’re a fucking toddler
Getting strong Know-Nothing vibes of this whole thread. No real ideological thesis or central position. Just a bunch of hollow “I’m a free thinker because I hate you” reactionary slop.
Reminds me of the old joke about the conservative being whatever the opposite of a liberal is, updated daily.
I’m very purposely trying to keep my opinions about policy points out of it, because that’s not what I was ever taking issue with, and it would only serve to completely derail the conversation.
All I’ve ever been taking issue with is the discourse itself. The US has a two party system, which is inherently going to encourage a very “us vs them” mentality. When people immediately jump to name calling, ridicule, and general verbal abuse at the first hint of disagreement, it’s only making things worse.
You sound like a Libertarian.
I view libertarianism similarly to how I view communism (the actual philosophies not the co-opted bullshit Libertarianism or the red scare version of communism); they are systems that seem like they could work if you somehow got everyone on the same page, but I don’t believe that they are robust enough to withstand the people who would exploit the system.
I feel like half the problem with politics right now is that everyone feels like they have to pick a label to call themselves. So they pick whichever is closest to what they believe at the time, then (consciously or unconsciously) mold themselves to conform with that chosen group. Suddenly, everyone who disagrees is personally attacking them, since they went and made their political affiliation part of their identity, rather than just a choice they make.
Do you believe in anything?
Opposing fascism is illegal, and centrists have a fetish for Law And Order. That shoves a lot of people leftward by default.