• Joe Breuer@lemmy.ml
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      I believe that should not be a valid defense, ever.

      If you’re not OK with what you’re ordered to do, you should not do it (and we should have a system of justice and social support which honors that).

      If you actually do something you’re responsible for that deed, ie possibly culpable.

      If you’re being pressured/manipulated/… the person doing so is responsible for that, so culpable as well - but not in place - if applicable.

      German law actually contains an apologetic first step in this direction, called ‘Remonstration’. I think we can all guess how it wound up in that particular legal system.

      Besides being able to point at the article and say “see, we fixed it”, I’m not aware of a single (let alone significant) case where it was actually/successfully used.

      In somewhat interesting contrast, German law does not codify protection of whistle blowers, for example.

      • SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        German law does not codify protection for whistle blowers

        gross. Although in the US the law is pretty much useless, so I guess at least Germany is honest? 🤷‍♀️

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    The point of the Latuff cartoon is valid, I just really dislike the smell of the word “westoid”.

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    “Our Glorious Eastern Soldiers”

    “Their heathen rapist genocidal evil brutish westoids”

    The message is good, the title is needlessly inflammatory, as if ANY major country has clean hands.

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        Lol, claiming that Russia is oriental is pretty wild. That is just about as accurate as saying America is Indian.

        Russia is a western nation that brutally colonized its eastern territory. This doesnt make them Asian, just like European colonization of America doesnt make it native American.

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          Oh boy, you’re gonna be pissed when you find out the continent Russia is located in…

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    How is this “westoid” logic? As if no other country does this kind of bullshit.

    We only have a chance at peace when ALL soldiers refuse to invade foreign lands.

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      not every other country is the usa, and not every other country is meddling in every world situation and creating world situations.

      sit the fuck down redwhiteandblue underwear, this comment wont hurt you.

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            2 questions bombing only specifically, and what do you consider recent? Do the Uyghurs count? Tibet? All the shit they pull in the South China sea? Korea? Vietnam? Shit they might be bombing Taiwan soon.

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              Shit they might be bombing Taiwan soon.

              Western chauvinists have so little to hold against China that they have to resort to things that China isn’t doing, but “might” do in the future.

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              I support their intervention in Korea. America was the aggressor in that conflict and the Chinese defended Korean sovereignty from imperialism. Did they bomb Uyghurs without my knowledge? Even if you believe everything western media says about Chinese treatment of Uyghurs their conditions are remarkably better than Palestinians. When Tibetan peasants were freed from serfdom and the culture of the Tibetan ruling class that justified their oppression was suppressed was that equivalent to American imperialism? To the Palestinian genocide? The shit China does in the South China sea is military postering at worst. Nothing they have done has left a place as ruined as Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan. Nothing has come close the the shear destruction we see at the hands of western imperialism. They are not comparable. You can exaggerate their actions and lie about them to an extreme and they still do not compare to what our countries have done to the world.

              Vietnam was fucked up though and I will die mad about it

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                Ah, good old “their war of imperialism” vs “our liberation of good people”. Right after “oh yeah, you think our genocide is bad? Check out tvis different genocide on the other side of the planet”.
                You realise two things can be bad at once, right?

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                  I didn’t say “not bad” I said “not equivalent” and “not comparable”. China does not belong on that list next to Israel and Russia. That’s just patently ridiculous.

                  If you really need me to say it, yes china has done bad things lol

  • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
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    the real problem is when those murderers come home and feel sad. Will somebody think of the poor state sanctioned murderers!!