I’ve said this elsewhere, but December is quickly becoming the time of the year when all the corpos tell us just exactly how much they spy on us and we all collectively go “Cool!” and tell each other about it for some reason.
FWIW, the median number of games played is four. Not forty, not fourteen, just four. If we’re going to get spyware stats, at least let’s put them in context. As it turns out, half of all Steam users are only playing the one game (given the numbers we know on concurrents, that’d be CS2/DOTA/PUBG or Apex, in most cases).
The play-everything, strong-opinion-haver user is a fraction of the userbase.
Also interesting, Steam is telling people how their playtime splits between Windows/Deck/Non-Deck Linux… but they pointedly don’t share those stats platform-wide. Sometimes silence is data, too.
The stats they show are pretty basic usage stats many are in the UI already. No one is showing the actual valuable data they are harvesting.
They aren’t really hiding the OS stats, it’s regularly published in the hardware and software survey. Showing my steam deck time is over the average of 0% isn’t really surprising news.
Nnnnah, the hardware survey is a wildly different number. That’s what OS each account was using when they filled the survey.
This shows they have data on what OS each user is using at the time of running each game, on both a per-game and a per-hour basis and that they can tie all of it to each account across games and OSs. Which raises the question of why they run the hardware survey OS numbers in the first place, but I suppose if you’re sharing the survey results you share the survey results, even if you have more accurate data on the same stats elsewhere.
That’d be a very interesting, very different stat, though, because it means they know what percentage of Windows/Linux users go back and forth, and CAN separate Linux usage from Deck from other OSs, which they very pointedly do not do on the survey, where SteamOS doesn’t have its own entry. That’s unsurprising but notable, along with the fact that they don’t really report on their own hardware sales, either, despite being a main source of info about GPU and CPU vendors.
Is it listed? Do you have a link to that? Checking the latest survey the Linux section shows
“Arch Linux” 64 bit
0.32%
+0.01%
Linux Mint 22.2 64 bit
0.24%
+0.04%
Ubuntu Core 22 64 bit
0.14%
0.00%
Ubuntu 24.04.3 LTS 64 bit
0.12%
+0.01%
I don’t see a SteamOS segment listed as a non-Linux OS anywhere, either. If they do provide the info I’d love to see it, but it doesn’t seem to be shown at a glance in the OS Version category.
Tracking game use by device isn’t any more or less “crazy” than anything else they store. It’s just telemetry. It’s noteworthy that they share it in the format that they share it.
I think they probably felt that having SteamOS perpetually be the holder for the “most popular” slot in the Linux category is not what the survey is for.
But then, they could have also finally provided a historical chart of OS usage, or a different category for SteamOS altogether.
Would you be willing to share why you don’t like the “corpo spying”? I personally never understood - an online service has to know your requests in order to serve the results to you, and keeping revords of those requests is the only way to have personalized recommendations, which I would rather have than be served ads for games (or music or whatever) I’ll never even consider.
I’d say I’m more lenient about big data profiles than most people around here. I’d also say I understand why the reaction to the very real, very obvious overreach in the process of creating and using those profiles is radically opposed to any sort of personal recorded info.
The part that’s weird is the cute little exception we make around the December holidays to get weirdly invasive infographics to share on social media.
For the record, I’d dispute that I prefer personalized recs to general ads. I already know the things I like that I want to buy. I’d much rather get a poke on things “I’d never consider”.
I was on some social media site today and noted that there are some controversies going on where I only ever see the pushback and entirely infer that the people holding the opposite stance do exist, but they never show up in my channels. This is not unexpected in an algorithmically curated info landscape… but it’s kind of bad and dangerous.
Ditto for only ever being served media based on the media I already like. Again, obvious but important: that’s decidedly NOT how I got to like the media I already like.
Regarding social media feeds, I have mixed opinions, because you’re right about the echo chamber, but I also am only still on any mainstream platform for the memes, and I only want it to show me memes, which it wouldn’t do if not for personalized recommendations.
As for games, I don’t want my recommendations to be dominated by whatever has the biggest marketing budget and can take over my feed. I mostly play indie games, and I think if my store page wasn’t personalized, I wouldn’t see nearly as many small games as I do.
I mean, you do you, but I don’t see any of the things that you want requiring active surveillance. That all seems very attainable by having decent search, filtering and categorization tools.
If anything, I find myself now seeking “hidden gems on Steam” despite Steam knowing everything about my gaming habits. And that’s on Steam, which does have a semi-decent crowdsourced tagging and categorization system. Their main page recommendations for e have consistently been either generically popular shovelware or insistent recommendations for games I do like but already own in other platforms that I can’t tell Steam to stop shoving down my throat.
I’ve said this elsewhere, but December is quickly becoming the time of the year when all the corpos tell us just exactly how much they spy on us and we all collectively go “Cool!” and tell each other about it for some reason.
FWIW, the median number of games played is four. Not forty, not fourteen, just four. If we’re going to get spyware stats, at least let’s put them in context. As it turns out, half of all Steam users are only playing the one game (given the numbers we know on concurrents, that’d be CS2/DOTA/PUBG or Apex, in most cases).
The play-everything, strong-opinion-haver user is a fraction of the userbase.
Also interesting, Steam is telling people how their playtime splits between Windows/Deck/Non-Deck Linux… but they pointedly don’t share those stats platform-wide. Sometimes silence is data, too.
The stats they show are pretty basic usage stats many are in the UI already. No one is showing the actual valuable data they are harvesting.
They aren’t really hiding the OS stats, it’s regularly published in the hardware and software survey. Showing my steam deck time is over the average of 0% isn’t really surprising news.
Nnnnah, the hardware survey is a wildly different number. That’s what OS each account was using when they filled the survey.
This shows they have data on what OS each user is using at the time of running each game, on both a per-game and a per-hour basis and that they can tie all of it to each account across games and OSs. Which raises the question of why they run the hardware survey OS numbers in the first place, but I suppose if you’re sharing the survey results you share the survey results, even if you have more accurate data on the same stats elsewhere.
That’d be a very interesting, very different stat, though, because it means they know what percentage of Windows/Linux users go back and forth, and CAN separate Linux usage from Deck from other OSs, which they very pointedly do not do on the survey, where SteamOS doesn’t have its own entry. That’s unsurprising but notable, along with the fact that they don’t really report on their own hardware sales, either, despite being a main source of info about GPU and CPU vendors.
Steam OS is listed in the survey, it’s 26% of Linux os use.
Tracking game use by device id isn’t that crazy, the steam app should know what OS it’s installed on.
Is it listed? Do you have a link to that? Checking the latest survey the Linux section shows
“Arch Linux” 64 bit 0.32% +0.01%
Linux Mint 22.2 64 bit 0.24% +0.04%
Ubuntu Core 22 64 bit 0.14% 0.00%
Ubuntu 24.04.3 LTS 64 bit 0.12% +0.01%
I don’t see a SteamOS segment listed as a non-Linux OS anywhere, either. If they do provide the info I’d love to see it, but it doesn’t seem to be shown at a glance in the OS Version category.
Tracking game use by device isn’t any more or less “crazy” than anything else they store. It’s just telemetry. It’s noteworthy that they share it in the format that they share it.
It’s only listed if you filter to Linux. It’s called steamOS Holo 64 bit.
Oh, hey, it is. Why the hell would it work that way? It seems to be manually excluded from the unfiltered list despite being by far the biggest usage.
So the data exists but it’s weirdly buried for no reason.
Still, thanks for the pointer. I genuinely didn’t know they had it set up that way.
Could be weirdness, or oversight, or maybe optimistically trying to quietly encourage Linux usage outside of Steam Deck? Who knows.
I think they probably felt that having SteamOS perpetually be the holder for the “most popular” slot in the Linux category is not what the survey is for.
But then, they could have also finally provided a historical chart of OS usage, or a different category for SteamOS altogether.
Would you be willing to share why you don’t like the “corpo spying”? I personally never understood - an online service has to know your requests in order to serve the results to you, and keeping revords of those requests is the only way to have personalized recommendations, which I would rather have than be served ads for games (or music or whatever) I’ll never even consider.
I’d say I’m more lenient about big data profiles than most people around here. I’d also say I understand why the reaction to the very real, very obvious overreach in the process of creating and using those profiles is radically opposed to any sort of personal recorded info.
The part that’s weird is the cute little exception we make around the December holidays to get weirdly invasive infographics to share on social media.
For the record, I’d dispute that I prefer personalized recs to general ads. I already know the things I like that I want to buy. I’d much rather get a poke on things “I’d never consider”.
I was on some social media site today and noted that there are some controversies going on where I only ever see the pushback and entirely infer that the people holding the opposite stance do exist, but they never show up in my channels. This is not unexpected in an algorithmically curated info landscape… but it’s kind of bad and dangerous.
Ditto for only ever being served media based on the media I already like. Again, obvious but important: that’s decidedly NOT how I got to like the media I already like.
Regarding social media feeds, I have mixed opinions, because you’re right about the echo chamber, but I also am only still on any mainstream platform for the memes, and I only want it to show me memes, which it wouldn’t do if not for personalized recommendations.
As for games, I don’t want my recommendations to be dominated by whatever has the biggest marketing budget and can take over my feed. I mostly play indie games, and I think if my store page wasn’t personalized, I wouldn’t see nearly as many small games as I do.
I mean, you do you, but I don’t see any of the things that you want requiring active surveillance. That all seems very attainable by having decent search, filtering and categorization tools.
If anything, I find myself now seeking “hidden gems on Steam” despite Steam knowing everything about my gaming habits. And that’s on Steam, which does have a semi-decent crowdsourced tagging and categorization system. Their main page recommendations for e have consistently been either generically popular shovelware or insistent recommendations for games I do like but already own in other platforms that I can’t tell Steam to stop shoving down my throat.