Can only try to help unwilling people for so long that you have to consider that this kind of assistance is not limitless and has to be prioritized for people who are interested and willing to at least try to support themselves. Fill up shelters to use them, but when you’re at capacity based on what the local government and its policies by extension of the voterbase’s willingness to contribute financially can support, you have to make hard decisions.
Will these people end up on the street? Probably. If this feels unreasonable, support candidates pushing to increase/reallocate funding for the program, or volunteer your own time and money to contribute.
Humane policies only work with those willing to accept them.
For example:
Is it humane to leave a woman with an amputated foot and infected leg sitting in the dirt on the side of a freeway in 100 degree heat when she’s had not one but two wheelchairs stolen? Absolutely not.
“Vicky is known to our outreach workers, as well as teams who work with the city, all of whom have been attempting to provide services or engage for several weeks. At times, she has informed those teams that she has not been interested in care. But they continue to check in and try to work with her.”
The humane thing would be to tell her “We won’t let you die, come with us.” and get her hospitalized even if she doesn’t want it. If she were capable of taking care of herself, she wouldn’t be in this situation.
“Why would I want to become part of normal society, so I can complete counseling and treatment just to, f—ing, you know, be in a cell of life,” she said.
No, it is an edge case. There will always be edge cases. And when it comes to things like medical ethics there’s a reason why there are entire degree programs and jobs in that particular area. You only need experts in situations that require expertise.
Because when you get to the edge cases shit gets weird. I’m completely comfortable not having answers to deep ethical and moral questions, especially when they have to do with medicine or society. The vast majority of people just do not fall under that umbrella.
Can only try to help unwilling people for so long that you have to consider that this kind of assistance is not limitless and has to be prioritized for people who are interested and willing to at least try to support themselves. Fill up shelters to use them, but when you’re at capacity based on what the local government and its policies by extension of the voterbase’s willingness to contribute financially can support, you have to make hard decisions.
Will these people end up on the street? Probably. If this feels unreasonable, support candidates pushing to increase/reallocate funding for the program, or volunteer your own time and money to contribute.
I mean, we could also adopt humane policies, my dude.
Humane policies only work with those willing to accept them.
For example:
Is it humane to leave a woman with an amputated foot and infected leg sitting in the dirt on the side of a freeway in 100 degree heat when she’s had not one but two wheelchairs stolen? Absolutely not.
https://katu.com/news/homeless-crisis/woman-struggling-to-survive-along-i-5-in-portland-a-firsthand-look-at-finding-help-with-homelessness
“Vicky is known to our outreach workers, as well as teams who work with the city, all of whom have been attempting to provide services or engage for several weeks. At times, she has informed those teams that she has not been interested in care. But they continue to check in and try to work with her.”
The humane thing would be to tell her “We won’t let you die, come with us.” and get her hospitalized even if she doesn’t want it. If she were capable of taking care of herself, she wouldn’t be in this situation.
Oh, cool. Edge-case hypotheticals in place of an actual response.
Not an edge case, they’re all over Portland:
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/the-story/portland-central-eastside-homeless-camp-parking-business/283-27570834-7a30-4671-badf-e787874333f9
“Why would I want to become part of normal society, so I can complete counseling and treatment just to, f—ing, you know, be in a cell of life,” she said.
No, it is an edge case. There will always be edge cases. And when it comes to things like medical ethics there’s a reason why there are entire degree programs and jobs in that particular area. You only need experts in situations that require expertise.
Because when you get to the edge cases shit gets weird. I’m completely comfortable not having answers to deep ethical and moral questions, especially when they have to do with medicine or society. The vast majority of people just do not fall under that umbrella.