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      Also add this for Russia, China, North Korea, and historically most of european countries.

      What’s the common part? That this is not war between nations, or races, it’s a class war. Creating ruling class always ends like this. Too much power in a hands of a too few people, authoritarian regime, and this is a recipe for a crisis.

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        It doesn’t matter if a country is authoritarian or democratic, every bourgeois nation state currently in the existence partakes in brutalization of proles and furthering the interests of capital.

        Put all of the countries in there, workers have no nation.

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          It doesn’t matter if a country is authoritarian or democratic

          It matters a lot. Authoritarian is evil from the beginning. If you have authoritarianism, then you’re giving the power to a small group of people, therefore creating new rulling class. And as we know from the history, a lot of power in a hands of few, always corrupts.

          It doesn’t matter who is your lord, or how is your master is presenting himself. Doesn’t matter if he is saying that god send him here, or his parents were kings, or he earn tons of money thanks to other people work, or he is a “working class” hero who now want to control other workers and people.

          I’m not saying that i’m democrat, but it’s still better than oligarchy authoritarianism. Democracy gives you chance to change that, to at least change who is making decision, who is in power. That’s why oligarchs wants to take control of democracy, by creating one or two party system (China, USA, CCCP), or they will take control over media, and destroy independent journalism so no one knows what’s going on (Russia).

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    Trump IS a Russian asset, don’t forget, they spent a lot of time and money to get him then keep him there. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t represent the horrid values of the USA from the past decade.

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      Trump’s actions are up to par with US legacy of imperialism and war crimes, from genociding native Americans, to staging coup d’etats around the globe on behalf of its oil companies, and aiding the displacement and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Saying that he’s acting like a “Russian agent” dissimulates the systemic evilness which the US represents around the world, and blaming his despicable actions on other nations is just as abhorrent.

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        I feel you’re missing the point. Yes, Trump represents the white heritage of subjugation and genocide of the USA. But he didn’t get there by chance, there was a massive external campaign of disinformation to get him there as well. If there wasn’t interference, well we don’t know what the out come would have been. But you cannot overlook the fact that Russia WAS using him before hand and saw a useful idiot when the time came.

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          Trump’s rise to power was absolutely not by chance. However, your analysis isn’t satisfactory from a materialist perspective. Rather, it was the sum of neoliberal policies of the last few decades that radically transformed the material conditions of the United States (and other Western capitalist countries), culminating in several economic crises, most notably in 2008. The working class has suffered the most from deindustrialization and social services defunding, which Trump has perfectly weaponized in his campaigns by promising a fictitious return to an equally fictitious past. You have lower wages? Blame it on the immigrants! No jobs? Blame it on non-whites!! And so forth.

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      The United States is engaging in war and economic bullying across the globe, disenfranchising millions from the Global South. Whether it benefits Russia or not is impertinent to the crimes the US has commited since its inception.

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        Okay but im saying that trump is specifically acting like a Russian agent right now and I do think that’s pertinent. Even if it is in line with the rest of american history.

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          Okay but im saying that trump is specifically acting like a Russian agent

          I think his actions are up to par with US legacy of imperialism and war crimes. Trump is as American as it can get, and saying that he’s acting like a “Russian agent” dissimulates the systemic evilness which the US represents, from genociding native Americans, to dtaging coup d’etats around the globe on behalf of its oil companies, and aiding the displacement and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. This is as American as it can get, and blaming those despicable actions on other nations is just as abhorrent.