From a former pastor who knows what the insiders talk about: a warning we would be foolish to ignore.

  • Tahl_eN@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Even if I accept your framing that a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide in Gaza, literally any other action is a vote for that genocide, plus one in Ukraine, plus one in the US. We know this because that’s what Trump has said. We know this because that’s what he tried to do the last time. And we will have this problem until Trumpism is soundly defeated. You want a real left choice sometime in your lifetime? We need to vote Dem hard enough to make it clear that Republicans can’t win. We’re not there yet.

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      Even if I accept your framing that a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide in Gaza, literally any other action is a vote for that genocide

      Believe it or not if you don’t vote for genociders you aren’t voting for genociders.

      plus one in Ukraine

      There is not a genocide in Ukraine and you and others cheapen the term by misusing it this way. Ukraine is in a war, a fairly conventional modern peer war. War is horrible enough, of course.

      And that war? Its continuation? Maximalist escalation? That is actually Democrats’ current specialty. They are worse on that topic. And I don’t mean I believe Republicans’ contrarianism, I mean that Dems are much more effective provocateurs and stewards of that form of empire.

      plus one in the US

      If the US has one genocide then it certainly actually has many and the Democrats are complicit there as well.

      We know this because that’s what Trump has said. We know this because that’s what he tried to do the last time

      What? Trump tried to do genocide in Ukraine last time? I think you got lost in talking points.

      And we will have this problem until Trumpism is soundly defeated.

      The Trumpism that was elevated by the Clinton campaign because they thought it would be an easier adversary? The Trumpism that the Biden-Harris administration has largely left intact as policy? Nah, Dems aren’t actually fighting, let alone defeating, the Trump cult. You’d have to actually do something between elections.

      You want a real left choice sometime in your lifetime?

      See now you are just lost in talking points again. Remember, I am telling you to not vote for genociders. This is not a “try to discipline people to your left” situation. That is… gross.

      We need to vote Dem hard enough to make it clear that Republicans can’t win.

      A haha haha haha haha. How are you going to vote “hard” for Dems? The ones celebrating Republican war criminal endorsements and siccing the cops on me for acting in solidarity with Palestine? The Dems that just declared Samidoun a terrorist org? The Dems committjng genocide? Those Dems? They are also our enemy.

      Well, so long as you consider Palestinians people. That is still unknown and all signs point to no.