Shouldn’t have too. Insert Gordon Ramsay you donkey meme here. I’m on bazzite for a reason but the Linux desktop community is as delusional as they’ve ever been while Valve pumps billions just to make deck usable.
To be absolutely clear, I want to be on Linux full time. I’d love to dump Windows altogether.
But I am an adult with actual shit to do, so working most of the time isn’t good enough.
I have zero issues with corpos contributing to open source stuff. And I have zero issues with open source projects having for-profit offshoots. Blender works. Home Assistant works. SteamOS… mostly works, on its very narrow band of specifically selected hardware.
By all means, have Valve keep pumping money into the ecosystem. I’m all for it.
But yeah, the community is so weirdly out of touch and in so much denial about the obvious, ongoing support gaps having been fully resolved. Installing a OS on a clean drive and checking that most of your Steam library works isn’t even close to the level of reliability you need for mainstream use on desktop. Microsoft pushed what? Two bad updates that broke systems in the past six months? And they are out there making public commitments to “regain trust” while tech journalists talk about their inacceptable performance and inevitable demise.
If I judged Linux by that yardstick I would have nuked my Linux installs ages ago. If we want it to become a mainstream concern we need to understand why it isn’t and what needs to happen to get it there.
Yeah, I could and I probably will, but not today and not until I don’t have to do work.
That’s the “tweak Linux until it works” game I don’t have time to play right now. Even if it works first time, and there’s no guarantee that it will.
Also, the last working Nvidia drivers for me are absolutely ancient. And GPU drivers on a gaming distro aren’t a works/doesn’t work thing. There are entire features and per-game optimizations significantly impacting performance enabled on each version. You want to be on the latest drivers.
Hah. I spent more time writing this post in the gaps between waiting for work stuff to finish work stuffing. I can’t just… not sit down for work for an arbitrary amount of time because I’m busy arguing with the Linux Nvidia drivers.
I agree that’s the point of Bazzite, though. So if it doesn’t in fact “just work” for me, then what’s the point of it?
If you just want to boot whatever you were running prior to the last update, yeah, it’s typically in the GRUB menu. If you updated more than once (which I believe I did) you need to go find the previous snapshot, but it’s not too much more hassle.
That doesn’t particularly fix anything, though, unless you’re cool with not updating indefinitely the thing you wanted to use or with updating everything else manually until the issue is fixed. If you want to be able to fix the update you still have to go into the logs and figure out what’s going on (since the failure isn’t universal and I know people are running these drivers without issues this must be possible). And of course all that assumes it was actually the update that broke something and the rollback actually fixes the issue.
Or, hear me out, I could reboot and choose Windows in GRUB instead, and that works for sure and I don’t have to think about it.
So Windows it is until I feel adventurous. I owe my Bazzite install zero extra time. If it can’t run as conveniently as clicking down one more time to select Windows then it’s not running.
As I said elsewhere, people really underestimate the level of stability it takes to be a mainstream option for a desktop OS.
That’s the “tweak Linux until it works” game I don’t have time to play right now.
Yeah I get that, a gaming system in particular should just work™. Luckily bazzite has been good to me in that regard, but I’m also using an AMD card - sorry to hear about your troubles.
Can’t you just rollback? I haven’t done this myself, but rolling back should be a strong suit of an atomic system like bazzite.
Shouldn’t have too. Insert Gordon Ramsay you donkey meme here. I’m on bazzite for a reason but the Linux desktop community is as delusional as they’ve ever been while Valve pumps billions just to make deck usable.
Hey, good for them.
To be absolutely clear, I want to be on Linux full time. I’d love to dump Windows altogether.
But I am an adult with actual shit to do, so working most of the time isn’t good enough.
I have zero issues with corpos contributing to open source stuff. And I have zero issues with open source projects having for-profit offshoots. Blender works. Home Assistant works. SteamOS… mostly works, on its very narrow band of specifically selected hardware.
By all means, have Valve keep pumping money into the ecosystem. I’m all for it.
But yeah, the community is so weirdly out of touch and in so much denial about the obvious, ongoing support gaps having been fully resolved. Installing a OS on a clean drive and checking that most of your Steam library works isn’t even close to the level of reliability you need for mainstream use on desktop. Microsoft pushed what? Two bad updates that broke systems in the past six months? And they are out there making public commitments to “regain trust” while tech journalists talk about their inacceptable performance and inevitable demise.
If I judged Linux by that yardstick I would have nuked my Linux installs ages ago. If we want it to become a mainstream concern we need to understand why it isn’t and what needs to happen to get it there.
Yeah, I could and I probably will, but not today and not until I don’t have to do work.
That’s the “tweak Linux until it works” game I don’t have time to play right now. Even if it works first time, and there’s no guarantee that it will.
Also, the last working Nvidia drivers for me are absolutely ancient. And GPU drivers on a gaming distro aren’t a works/doesn’t work thing. There are entire features and per-game optimizations significantly impacting performance enabled on each version. You want to be on the latest drivers.
why not today it takes 2 minutes
you spent more time writing this post
the whole point of bazzite is that it’s trivially easy and just works unlike the old “tweak linux” approach
make use of the distro you chose
Hah. I spent more time writing this post in the gaps between waiting for work stuff to finish work stuffing. I can’t just… not sit down for work for an arbitrary amount of time because I’m busy arguing with the Linux Nvidia drivers.
I agree that’s the point of Bazzite, though. So if it doesn’t in fact “just work” for me, then what’s the point of it?
You literally just reboot and pick the older image on boot, if it’s anything like Aurora.
If you just want to boot whatever you were running prior to the last update, yeah, it’s typically in the GRUB menu. If you updated more than once (which I believe I did) you need to go find the previous snapshot, but it’s not too much more hassle.
That doesn’t particularly fix anything, though, unless you’re cool with not updating indefinitely the thing you wanted to use or with updating everything else manually until the issue is fixed. If you want to be able to fix the update you still have to go into the logs and figure out what’s going on (since the failure isn’t universal and I know people are running these drivers without issues this must be possible). And of course all that assumes it was actually the update that broke something and the rollback actually fixes the issue.
Or, hear me out, I could reboot and choose Windows in GRUB instead, and that works for sure and I don’t have to think about it.
So Windows it is until I feel adventurous. I owe my Bazzite install zero extra time. If it can’t run as conveniently as clicking down one more time to select Windows then it’s not running.
As I said elsewhere, people really underestimate the level of stability it takes to be a mainstream option for a desktop OS.
Fair enough. Although I wouldn’t call Windows 11 stable, nowadays.
Yeah I get that, a gaming system in particular should just work™. Luckily bazzite has been good to me in that regard, but I’m also using an AMD card - sorry to hear about your troubles.